anyone for a blow job?

[General Baxter]

lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture067.jpg

[Rysee]

very nice how much does she charge?

[General Baxter]

erm std mini lol

[Stuart]

Heaton FTL :p

[General Baxter]

its the only one i could get to fit nice in the bay, even with my man block lol

[Plug]

lol going ahead with this then :thumb:

[General Baxter]

iv just messured it lol

how do you think it will look sticking 4" out the bonnet lol

[Rich]

Who cares what it looks like lol#

Dooo iiit!

[Jack]

iv just messured it lol

how do you think it will look sticking 4" out the bonnet lol
Rotate the engi, in fact no, remove the engine, put a V6 in, rotate it 90', THEN put the charger on top. WIN

[Mike]

Buy my fuel reg an intercooler :thumb:

EDIT: Definetly need to run a downsize alloy pully on that ;)

[FUSION X16XE]

Baxter if you change your mind send me a PM ive been looking to buy one for a while, is it a 3rd gen m45?

[General Baxter]

its got GEC3 written on it lol

[FUSION X16XE]

Im guessing it is then lol

Whats the plans for it? Smallblock FTW :thumb:

[gunny]

:D see, i did say, i knew you would :D

[jimbob-mcgrew]

a supercharger ?

[General Baxter]

well i could not fit it ontop of the inlet, as i would not beable to see where im going lol

so its going here lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture072.jpg

[jimbob-mcgrew]

u gonna run in on an auxilery belt i gather ?

shame about the placment, woulda been real sick just edging a fraction up out of the bay, hidden a bit under a raised flap on the bonnet.

[jimbob-mcgrew]

if its anything like those american forced induction jobs .................. :confused:

[Jack]

Don't be such a homo, dremel a hole in the bonnet and whack it on the inlet

[General Baxter]

Don't be such a homo, dremel a hole in the bonnet and whack it on the inlet

no i really mean, it would block my view lol

[Asa-James]

Don't be such a homo, dremel a hole in the bonnet and whack it on the inlet

like you did with the v, right...:D

[Christ]

just get higher seats so you can see over the top of it!! Will be cool if you go through with it mate.

[Johnny A]

Heaton FTL :p

It is true the roots blower does produce the most heat output (about the same as a turbo really), but its all about what you want. The roots blower turns any engine into an instant torque monster over almost the entire rev range, you don't make as much peak like with a turbo or even to a lesser extend a centrifugal blower but IMHO a usable powerband makes for a faster car.

Got an Eaton M90 here myself :D

[General Baxter]

something like this lol

intercooler, dumpvalve and superchager noise all into one lol

alltho all i have is 3" pipe work, thats a bit much lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/chargerpipes.jpg

[Spudly]

Dont worry about it bud, that cup on the strut top will give you all the power you need without the use of a charger lol

[General Baxter]

winnie the pooh power lol

[FUSION X16XE]

Ive got loads of questions as im considering doing this on a 1.6 8v

Isnt the inlet on the charger on the other side?
And is it the sausage shape one? How will you make a pipe fit on that?
Also can you run a belt that far? Wouldnt it vibrate alot over a longer distance? :)

[scott.parker]

After seeing baxter was contemplating this i started looking at them, that is the only place i could think of for it to go as well...BUT as it's NOT going to be mounted to the engine, even if you get drive to it it will NOT be moving with any engine movement, so the belt would be flexing, possibly loosing drive, thats something hard to get round??

[novaguy08]

Thats going to be needing a fecking HOOOGE belt to run that!!

Also SSOOOOPERRRRCHHHHARGER!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

Couldnt resist it!! Loadsa pipes and a hooge belt! its going to lag a bit that far back!! not only that but ya will need to fab up a tensioner pully before the bulkhead or it might rub then another one before the inlet or again more rubbaige!

[davidfox280585]

After seing baxter was contemplating this i started looking at them, that is the only place i could think of for it to go as well...BUT as it's NOT going to be mounted to the engine, even if you get drive to it it will NOT be moving with any engine movment, so the belt would be flexing, possibly loosing drive, thats somthing hard to get round??
was thinking the exact same thing myself:thumb:

[General Baxter]

was thinking the exact same thing myself:thumb:

its going to be mounted on a frame, which will bolt to the engine,

but my engine dont move anyway lol

[General Baxter]

Couldnt resist it!! Loadsa pipes and a hooge belt! its going to lag a bit that far back!! not only that but ya will need to fab up a tensioner pully before the bulkhead or it might rub then another one before the inlet or again more rubbaige!


no huge belt, its going to be sorter then a std belt lol. yes iv got a few people on 'cad' working out the pulleys and tensioners lol

[General Baxter]

right iv had another think about how to connect it to 'rock' with the engine,

seeing as the 'powerbox' is hollow i can drill it and put nuts and bolts thru it,
if i weld a plate onto the pipe comming from the charger, and bolt it to the powerbox, and use some rose joint linkages for supports, it will rock with the engine lol

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/chargerbox.jpg

so it will be like the ps with the pipe work, but all bolted to the powerbox :)

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture076.jpg

pipe welded to the charger flange, pipe welded to some flat bar, flat bar bolted to the alloy powebox, and some bars across the top to carry the weight :)

[General Baxter]

and some pipe work lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture077.jpg

[General Baxter]

kinda like this

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture078.jpg

[scott.parker]

Baxter have you though if you do a cut out cross member, would it fit better at the front ( i know this would be close to rad and manifold and gain heat) but it might be an option to gain better access to the drive belt??

The end off the day anything is possible if you want..

Scott

[General Baxter]

i have looked at this scott, and put it this way, not a chance, as my oil filters on the front and the way the manifold sits lol

+ with the weight of it all on the front, i could of put a V6 in there, if i put it at the back, it wont be that bad lol

[scott.parker]

Another option (but this is technical, so you wont do it lol)
Some how look to try do away with the vaux inlet manifold, construct something so you could mount TB direct to the charger, and that TB to a new custom inlet manifold??

EDIT: EG the C20XE inlet and TB setup is the sort of thing I'm thinking..

This would save space and do away with all the piping!

[General Baxter]

Another option (but this is technical, so you wont do it lol)
Some how look to try do away with the vaux inlet manifold, construct something so you could mount TB direct to the charger, and that TB to a new custom inlet manifold??

EDIT: EG the C20XE inlet and TB setup is the sort of thing I'm thinking..

This would save space and do away with all the piping!


looked at that, and cant be arsed factor comes to mind, + id really like an IC just to be safe lol

[General Baxter]

had a 'play' with the belt lol

the bottom pulley is 3mm away from hitting the leg,
the belts about 1" from the fire wall, perfect really lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture079-1.jpg

[scott.parker]

Hammer time!

[General Baxter]

Hammer time!
dont think ill need to tbh :thumb:

and before you lot say, yes i have spun it to see which way it spins lol

pop up and have a look scott im only 30mins away lol

[scott.parker]

Nah cant be bothered, it's an hr drive! lol

[General Baxter]

30mins in the nova lol

[scott.parker]

lol £30-40 round trip!

[Mike]

Im hung like Saddam.

[General Baxter]

pardon lol

[General Baxter]

been busy lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture-3.jpg

[mowgli]

for space, you could make a plenum that is turned thru 180 degrees, so the afm is facing the lhs, then the air pipework could come in & out over the gearbox

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture080.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture081.jpg

just what is all that brown stuff on my chair lol

[scott.parker]

Nick if you pull this off and get the car looking nice (none of the old baxter ways lol)
It will look and be really good.

[dj_wudgey]

hope you get this done it will be sh*t hot!!

[General Baxter]

problem is, if i bodge it works, if i do things properly it ****s up lol

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image083.jpg


raised bonnet anyone lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image084.jpg

[General Baxter]

heater motors going to be close lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image085.jpg

[Adam]

So the charger is mounted to the powerbox?
How heavy is it? That powerbox is only thin ally afterall ;)

[General Baxter]

So the charger is mounted to the powerbox?
How heavy is it? That powerbox is only thin ally afterall ;)

well seeing as there only a pair of mole grips holding it on, not really that heavy, dont worry tho, its have metal plate on the inside of the box, and some rods over the top :)

[Adam]

Cool

[General Baxter]

that bit of pipe work and the flange, weoghts more lol

im thinking of selling tho lol

[General Baxter]

update, all in, bttery moved, slight earth problem i think, that is all

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image005.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image006-2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image007-1.jpg

upon starting im getting this now
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image008-1.jpg

i know ones the battery charge light, ones the eml (AFM unpluged) for the love of god i cant remember what the other one is, but i think its an earth fault and they keep going dim

[General Baxter]

heres a nice double pulley i made
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Video000-2.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Video000-2.flv)

[General Baxter]

cost so far

charger = £195
flanges = £40
extra pulleys = £10 (when i see novalicous to pay him lol)


and the bonnet still wont shut lol

[napalm_27]

cut a wheelie bin in half and have a big ass bulge lol

[Stuart]

steal RJ's bonnet... that'll fit a house under there

[mowgli]

http://www.carhoods.com/

[General Baxter]

http://www.carhoods.com/

wont work, as the chargers offset, so it would look gay lol

[mowgli]

come on General, just get a biggun....

can't you cut the bonnet along the 2 styling lines & push the middle up till it misses????

[Southie]

How much is it catching? Bonnet lifters any good??

[General Baxter]

How much is it catching? Bonnet lifters any good??
do they do 4-5" kits ? lol

[Southie]

do the do 4-5" kits ? lol
lol that's rediculous lol big hammer then?

[General Baxter]

and i put it as low as i could get it, i could of put it 1" higher tho lol

[Southie]

and i put it as low as i could get it, i could of put it 1" higher tho lollol

[General Baxter]

iv got a few bonnets, so out comes the grinder tommorow, raised bonnets are for gays lol

[mowgli]

make it a biggun & then matt black it then?????

[General Baxter]

im thinking of just cutting a hole, putting some rubber capping around the sharp edge, and just leave it sticking out lol

[mowgli]

well, at least it will help with cooling...

[General Baxter]

:d

[napalm_27]

half a wheelie bin ftw! lol

[General Baxter]

No

[mowgli]

I can't wait to hear it... I've been up close to a Birkin blower Bentley, so I have high expectations....

[General Baxter]

oh if it works, ill come stupidly fast past your house lol

[paul james]

make it look like this:

http://www.lastinterceptor.com/O3.jpg

[General Baxter]

how mines fwd lol

[paul james]

I don't want to hear excuses!

[General Baxter]

come on, your lucky to get such good workmanship from me lol

i should of just glued, or taped it on lol

[mowgli]

oh if it works, ill come stupidly fast past your house lol

I'll be listening

[mowgli]

I just found this, whilst looking for a supercharged soundtrack....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDDDKnNhuE

[General Baxter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hr3-PgOovA&feature=related

[mowgli]

sounds like a kids bike going down a hill with a bit of fairy liquid bottle held by a clothes peg in the spokes...

[Stuart]

looks like the engine is trying to get out lol

[mowgli]

I thinnk that corsa is a triumph of 'CAN' over 'SHOULD'....

ie.

can you supercharge a really schite corsa?
should you supercharge a really schite corsa?

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Video001-1.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Video001-1.flv)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Video002-1.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Video002-1.flv)

[davidfox280585]

sounds well dude

[gunny]

Awesome! How did u get the bonnet to close?

[Welshy]

I just found this, whilst looking for a supercharged soundtrack....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDDDKnNhuE
that was proper low,
lol@corsa it sounds like a cartoon mouse lmao

[General Baxter]

Awesome! How did u get the bonnet to close?

iv taken the bracing off, and shave the bit of the bonnet lol

[gunny]

lol propper job, PICS

[Welshy]

thats awsum lol

[General Baxter]

right iv re earthed the altu still nothing, :(

[gunny]

What size earth cable did you use in the boot? Also was your engine earthed to your battery? Ive seen them where they've been earthed to the battery and the firewall but not the gearbox to chassis leg.

[General Baxter]

its just had a fail,

pulley snapped lol

[AlexW]

What size earth cable did you use in the boot? Also was your engine earthed to your battery? Ive seen them where they've been earthed to the battery and the firewall but not the gearbox to chassis leg.

That seems a mk2 thing? I know from my experiance anyways lol

My nova had the engine to battery earth but not the gearbox to chasis leg



Oh and baxter! I knew somthing would fail!

[General Baxter]

i think more weld is needed, wont be able to do it till tuesday now,

[sulphur]

That'll be a weapon when it gets past teething.

Certainly a distinctive sound. lol
Top work!!:thumb:

[General Baxter]

That'll be a weapon when it gets past teething.

Certainly a distinctive sound. lol
Top work!!:thumb:

i took it down the road, all the people looking at it, they must think my god whats that comming down the road, ahahahahaha look a ****ty nova with a mega tight belt lol

[Talon]

thats amazing...

pushing the nova scene even further forward... love it

[General Baxter]

thats amazing...

pushing the nova scene even further forward... love it

thats what i do :p

[mowgli]

so its not going to billing then?????

[saloonwoody]

make it look like this:

http://www.lastinterceptor.com/O3.jpg
mad baxlol

[mowgli]

/\ i take it you never saw his 1.6 16v turbo black 3dr pickup then?????????????

[General Baxter]

:p

[saloonwoody]

/\ i take it you never saw his 1.6 16v turbo black 3dr pickup then?????????????

no:(

[General Baxter]

what lol

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/IM000132.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/IM000047.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/IM000001-1.jpg

[saloonwoody]

omg ! how did i not see this ! do i dare ask wot happened to it ??

[mowgli]

whizz-bang at a guess.....

[General Baxter]

i got bord cut it up and swaped the engine for that 325i E30 beemer lol

[saloonwoody]

fair enuf lol

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/MY%20BMW/IM000325.jpg

[saloonwoody]

hhmmmm i do like the e30's :) last 1 i had i got busted hangin it off the local roundabout lol copper just aked wtf was i doin lol

[General Baxter]

197bhp, welded diff, FTW lol

[saloonwoody]

welded diffs ftw lol i had a volvo 340 witha welded diff lol

[pul16v]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture080.jpg


is that the hole your engine has to breath through ? or have you made it larger ?

[General Baxter]

is that the hole your engine has to breath through ? or have you made it larger ?

the engine is not breathing through that, its being forced it now lol
trust me thats all it needs, my phone was on the wing, i reved it and it blew it off lol

the person i got the flanges off, uses them and he gets 100bhp extra out his old school minis :)

[General Baxter]

seeing as the pulley failed, 450amp phase 3 welder lol im taking the alut for a recon, and having a larger threaded shaft fitted, so i can bolt it on :)

[ade]

you are a mental!

Those u tube vids are insane - sounds like youve got a fecking angry cat trapped under the bonet!

[General Baxter]

WE HAVE BOOST :thumb:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image010.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image011.jpg

alts and pulley all fixed, 1986 2L petrol transit to the rescue, no welding here lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Image012.jpg

[John]

Baxter, surely a moving engine, and a fixed blower is gonna end in tears? The blower needs to attached to the engine, surely?

[Johnny A]

Isn't it bolted to the inlet manifold??

[General Baxter]

Baxter, surely a moving engine, and a fixed blower is gonna end in tears? The blower needs to attached to the engine, surely?
it is lol
its all bolted to the inlet manifold, :P

[Spudly]

I thought it all died though?

Has it been on the road yet, and will the internals cope with it all?

[John]

it is lol
its all bolted to the inlet manifold, :P

Sorry, my bad. (or your bad pics:p :d :) )

[Christ]

cool as funk mate.

[General Baxter]

Has it been on the road yet, and will the internals cope with it all?

yes and no lol

but iv got that other engine waiting lol

[Adam]

What other engine?

[General Baxter]

What other engine?

the ****ed orginal c16xe iv got, iv allready got the steel rods and pistons in it ready lol

[Spudly]

So youre just going to give adams poor old engine total death then you mean bugger lol

[General Baxter]

hell yes

iv got AA recovery on speed dial lol

[Spudly]

You gonna take it steadily to a rolling road to see what she does before you ring the AA?

[General Baxter]

lol i cant even connet the charger up to it, its blowing out the front panel,

theres two weeks wait for mapping,

+ theres an air leak lol

[Spudly]

So the charger isnt connected:roll:


I thought you said you had boost not fresh air lol

[General Baxter]

its tech boosting something lol,

+ im still waiting on the front mount lol

[Adam]

the ****ed orginal c16xe iv got, iv allready got the steel rods and pistons in it ready lol
Ready for what??


ATM its just a leaf blower cleaning your engine bay with compressed air.... lol

[Spudly]

Ahh so thats why its not connected if there aint an I/C, whens it going to be connected up and actually boosting into the engine?

[General Baxter]

Ready for what??

to replace the ****ty x16 block, when it explodes lol

[General Baxter]

Ahh so thats why its not connected if there aint an I/C, whens it going to be connected up and actually boosting into the engine?

i/c will be here this week and fitted, then a drive down, connet 1 pipe then get it mapped and roaded:thumb:

[Spudly]

Five minutes:thumb:

[General Baxter]

ATM its just a leaf blower cleaning your engine bay with compressed air.... lol

things like this take time, i could of just put a large block xe in, in 5 hours, but why should i,

there in most novas, and gay lol

[General Baxter]

Five minutes:thumb:

optermistic there ?

[Adam]

Because its tried and tested, and works very well?????

If you have it mapped when its boosting my old engine, its going be a complete waste of money if you then swap to your other block with i assume low comp pistons etc????? As the map will be wrong?

[Spudly]

Nope, i mean it as five minutes from you connecting the pipe up, this will also include them strapping the car to the rollers which usally takes about three or four minutes lol

[General Baxter]

Because its tried and tested, and works very well?????

If you have it mapped when its boosting my old engine, its going be a complete waste of money if you then swap to your other block with i assume low comp pistons etc????? As the map will be wrong?

so, ill just get it mapped again :p

[Spudly]

Because its tried and tested, and works very well?????

If you have it mapped when its boosting my old engine, its going be a complete waste of money if you then swap to your other block with i assume low comp pistons etc????? As the map will be wrong?



Dude, its nick and he loves blowing things up and wasting pennies lol

[General Baxter]

no im normal, i dont follow sheep :p

[Spudly]

no im normal




LMFAO lollollollollollollol

[Adam]

so, ill just get it mapped again :p
You really do confuse me at times

[General Baxter]

You really do confuse me at times
erm who cares lol

i really do like you lot,
just because i try things, you lot moan lol

[scott.parker]

Were not moaning we are just saying take some time/don't rush, if you got a head spacer like the small block turbos use this will help you from killing it surely??

[Adam]

Im not moaning at all, im trying to save you money????

Edit-Exactly as Scott said..............

[General Baxter]

this it just the test/design engine, not to bothered if it blows up, aslong as it dont take the cams out when it blows :)

save money lol
spend it, its no good when your dead, spend it all now :p

[corsa444]

:)

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/nova%20saloon/Photo158.jpg

[Adam]

THat does actually look like it'll do the job nicely.
Where did you get the pully(s) from?

[General Baxter]

well i doubt ill ever find another one
its just one pulley, i found the entire alt covered in crap in the corner of the scrappy, as i was walking out the door
1986 2L petrol tranny lol

and with that pulley on its slightly larger so a halfords 775a belt fits the charger perfect :)

[mowgli]

the bit i'm worried about is that you are using the altenator as an idler on the drive to the charger. the charger will consume maybe 50hp to produce the extra 50 odd hp of boost. the v belts onto an alternator will be marginal at best to handle that, let alone the bushes of an alternator.

[Adam]

Nice bit of luck then

[Johnny A]

the bit i'm worried about is that you are using the altenator as an idler on the drive to the charger. the charger will consume maybe 50hp to produce the extra 50 odd hp of boost. the v belts onto an alternator will be marginal at best to handle that, let alone the bushes of an alternator.

I don't think superchargers would have been used so widely if they required the same level of bhp as they create!

I'd expect a 20% leach in output bhp to drive itself, but I have some heavy reservations about a v-belt being able to transmit enough energy to drive the blower (when it's compressing air).

But for now I just wanna see if it will work, might do, might not.

[General Baxter]

theres NO other way of getting it to run lol

unless i run a pulley from the cam belt lol
but then the belt would run thru the TB lol

[Johnny A]

Yeah you could, but it requires moving other things like the re-routing the exhaust manifold for example.

[mowgli]

I don't think superchargers would have been used so widely if they required the same level of bhp as they create!

I'd expect a 20% leach in output bhp to drive itself, but I have some heavy reservations about a v-belt being able to transmit enough energy to drive the blower (when it's compressing air).

But for now I just wanna see if it will work, might do, might not.

trust me. a turbo or a supercharger when fitted to a 100 hp engine, would easily make the engine kick out 150hp. but if you could remove the drive for the supercharger from the engine & power it from an elec motor, the engine would kick out 200hp. they waste a lot of energy to make power

[General Baxter]

Yeah you could, but it requires moving other things like the re-routing the exhaust manifold for example.

yeah have it on the front lol,

erm, it would not fit, the rads even in the way, the thing is huge lol

[mowgli]

nick, you may need to make a new intake manifold & get the charger closer.... is it a suck thru or a blow thru design????

[Lee]

trust me. a turbo or a supercharger when fitted to a 100 hp engine, would easily make the engine kick out 150hp. but if you could remove the drive for the supercharger from the engine & power it from an elec motor, the engine would kick out 200hp. they waste a lot of energy to make power

Trouble is, you dont get free power. An eleccy motor would need a fapping great alternator to power it to the speeds you would need to get it to perform, which would probably sap just as much power from the motor as the pulley would.

Turbo motors use power spinning up the turbo, It doesnt spin for free!

Both methods are worth the losses for the gains, Turbo's may be more efficient, but SG's dont come with the inherent heat problems, and thats what's always put me off tubbies, so if I ever went forced induction, it would be a blower every time methinks.

[General Baxter]

nick, you may need to make a new intake manifold & get the charger closer.... is it a suck thru or a blow thru design????

erm its erm,

well i put my hand on it and it nearly sucked my hands into the screws at tick over, and it blew a fag packet of the wing on stick over lol

[General Baxter]

Both methods are worth the losses for the gains, Turbo's may be more efficient,

it sounds cool aswell :thumb:

[Lee]

Nick, if its sucking too much fit a bigger pulley to the blower. TBH i would start with lower boost anyway, but then this is you and I know you will be wanting to snap all the head bolts on the first go lol lol

[Dar]

Limpy you Poof! I know you would go for hard suck straight off! Your not kidding anyone.

[Lee]

You know me too well :(

[General Baxter]

but then this is you and I know you will be wanting to snap all the head bolts on the first go lol lol

ftw :thumb:

[Dar]

You know me too well :(
That I do my loverrrrr:thumb:

[mowgli]

Trouble is, you dont get free power. An eleccy motor would need a fapping great alternator to power it to the speeds you would need to get it to perform, which would probably sap just as much power from the motor as the pulley would.

Turbo motors use power spinning up the turbo, It doesnt spin for free!

Both methods are worth the losses for the gains, Turbo's may be more efficient, but SG's dont come with the inherent heat problems, and thats what's always put me off tubbies, so if I ever went forced induction, it would be a blower every time methinks.

i was simply using the argument about just how much power a supercharger uses. in the usa, they always used to take all the ancillaries & power them by an external motor, ie, waterpump, oil pump, cooling fan, no alternator or aircon fitted to give a gross output of their engines.... legally, they could do this & then come out with outrageous claims for hp, ie 440hp in a std family sedan, then they changed the laws & suddenly the cars had 250hp.
the elec motor i was referring to was an externally driven ac motor. as in a test bed.

[General Baxter]

they have to do that due to there 7l v10 supercharged engine only produce 5bhp anyway lol

[mowgli]

in the cooper, i take it that the blower is blowing thru the charge cooler, then thru the manifold (which contains the injectors)

[Stuart]

and things like a hEaton are very inefficient in the S/C world... takes about 30bhp to push 280Bhp's (if not more for engine friction) worth of air into a Z22SE.... So all the "tuners" taking the engines to the 'safe' limit of 250bhp for the rods are actually humping nearer 300bhp into it lol

[General Baxter]

there a little stange, as they have two throttle bodys, to shut the thing up


air filter - tb - charger - cooler - tb - inlet with injectors

[General Baxter]

and things like a hEaton are very inefficient in the S/C world... takes about 30bhp to push 280Bhp's (if not more for engine friction) worth of air into a Z22SE.... So all the "tuners" taking the engines to the 'safe' limit of 250bhp for the rods are actually humping nearer 300bhp into it lol

tbh im going for pulling power as small block touqre is weak lol

[Stuart]

are the two TB's linked? as the one post charger should be for boost recirc as a crude boost limiter

[General Baxter]

i have not really looked into it, but its something to do with the engine braking and run down,

ill just shove mine out a chav valve lol

[Johnny A]

and things like a hEaton are very inefficient in the S/C world... takes about 30bhp to push 280Bhp's (if not more for engine friction) worth of air into a Z22SE.... So all the "tuners" taking the engines to the 'safe' limit of 250bhp for the rods are actually humping nearer 300bhp into it lol

It's swings and roundabouts tho, the eaton gives you psi at any rpm but it's trade off is less overall bhp due to heat. It's a good blower for daily driver cars as it's a positive displacement pump (air in compressed after the blower), so with the use of a bypass valve its cruising bhp losses are less then 1bhp.

The twin screw produces less heat but compresses it's air inside the unit itself - meaning as long as the blower is spinning it's eating up bhp. Best option for track day and drag cars.

The centrafugal is the least heat generating unit but won't make boost until it overcomes it's gearing setup. Recently peeps have been gearing them to produce boost low down in the rev range and run a wastegate to bleed off boost higher up which works... but makes the blower use more bhp to drive itself.

I think if money wasn't an issue a twin screw blower and a electro-magnetic clutch system would be the way to go, but in Baxter's case the Eaton works well, is the cheapest option and will give him a nice big slab of torque.

I used to think 'wow that LET with a GT30 turbo produces 450bhp isn't that cool', then you look at the power curve and it have a very spiky peak power because the turbo is so big. A supercharged LET running the same boost might only make 380bhp but its producing a high output for much more of the rpm range. This makes for a drivable car and IMO and faster car round a track.

I am using an Eaton for my LET (no turbo), yeah its a monster heat generator (no more than a turbo). But a nice FMIC and twin port Aquamist kit has got my back :thumb:

[General Baxter]

right quicky

im going to use a astra TD airbox on the charger, but die to all the funny shapes ect:

would i beable to use this?
there will be no boost in this pipe

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COLD-AIR-FEED-INDUCTION-PIPE-DUCTING-3-76MM-1-METRE_W0QQitemZ270430259895QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef6e64ab7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1689|293%3A1| 294%3A50

[General Baxter]

sort little video, 4psi at 1500rpm, tick over it lumpy due to plugs covered in oil

i think i need a stronger pipe lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Picture-4.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Picture-4.flv)

[Hobbit]

It sounds like a lawnmower lol

[scott.parker]

you are off your rocker dude!

BUT! I hope you get it so it actually works 100%
will be cool if it does.

Scott

[Adam]

Does it drive???

I think you need a pipe designed to hold boost :p
Is that not just some random airbox rubber hose? Lol

[General Baxter]

I think you need a pipe designed to hold boost :p
Is that not just some random airbox rubber hose? Lol
tehehe, its from a inlet for a gte airbox



Does it drive???
if you see my msn name i think you will find out lol

[General Baxter]

and back in bits lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture003-3.jpg

[General Baxter]

managed to seal it and make the outlet bigger for the charger,

i can make it hold 10psi on tickover, but now got a problem blowing pipes lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Picture006-2.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Picture006-2.flv)

[scott.parker]

Common, get this sorted mate, i really want to see you succeed, and see you make a good job of it, no more bodging!

[General Baxter]

Common, get this sorted mate, i really want to see you succeed, and see you make a good job of it, no more bodging!
i want a big cake off you lot if it does more then 100miles lol

if i was bodging, it would be on the road now,

going to custom chrome exhuast people, see if they can make me some stainless steel boost pipes all the way round only a few joins,

well im quite shocked, at 4psi, it was doing 4th gear wheels spins, on std managment lol love to see it at 10psi lol

photos of the finsihed bay kinda

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture007-2.jpg

about £250-£300 more needed then woosh time lol

[General Baxter]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Picture008-1.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Picture008-1.flv)

[General Baxter]

cable ties FTW,

tidy it up

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture010.jpg

[let_nova]

that looks the nuts!!

[Adam]

That does look cool, but dudeeeee that red silicone pipe on the tb(with the temp sender in) wont hold boost, that temp sender is just tigersealed into place!!!!

[General Baxter]

i really need to tidy up my bumper lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture012-2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture014-3.jpg

and see as red victor 1 had gauges under the bonnet, i desided to put on ontop of mine lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture015-1.jpg

[Johnny A]

Is that a frontera 2.5TD FMIC?

[General Baxter]

That does look cool, but dudeeeee that red silicone pipe on the tb(with the temp sender in) wont hold boost, that temp sender is just tigersealed into place!!!!
that side is going to be replaced with stainless tube, to many joins and **** ups on that side :thumb:


yes its a frontera cooler


adam get on msn

[mowgli]

i hope you've got one of these....

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/25/93/57d8_35.JPG

[General Baxter]

most if the famales i know say,

like **** am i getting in that lol

[daverobson]

looks good, will be wkd when all workin

[Dar]

Nice job Mr B

[AlanH]

most if the famales i know say,

like **** am i getting on that lol

wash it mate:thumb:

[novaguy08]

Just realized whilst looking through my PVS pictures I actually took a photo of Baxters loon! How random!

[Spudly]

Just realized whilst looking through my PVS pictures I actually took a photo of Baxters loon! How random!


I just realised looking through my pictures that baxter has my old wheels on his loon, oh wait i helped fit them so i knew anyways lol

[mowgli]

I just realised looking through my pictures that baxter has my old wheels on his loon, oh wait i helped fit them so i knew anyways lol

i just realised you bought my old wheels off baxter & we both made a good profit!!!!!!!!:)

[Spudly]

i just realised you bought my old wheels off baxter & we both made a good profit!!!!!!!!:)


Lol and now theyre on Robs loon as im sure you know from his updated pictures lol

:thumb::thumb:

[mowgli]

Lol and now theyre on Robs loon as im sure you know from his updated pictures lol

:thumb::thumb:

linky please i hope it wasn't the ones painted red/black

[Spudly]

linky please i hope it wasn't the ones painted red/black

Thats them, he has only picked out the outer lip and touched in the opel blitz in red, theyre still the satin black that nick threw at them lol

[mowgli]

oh... i didn't like them

[Sloth]

very well done baxter, but surely a rotrex would have fitted where the alt is, then move the alt up or down, and use a daihatsu 1.0 one? very small. and that keeps the poly v belt? sounds shexual btw

[gunny]

(Oo\(llll)(llll)/oO)
\__.\_____/.__/ Looks better with the top row underlined mate ;)

[Spudly]

(Oo\(llll)(llll)/oO)
\__.\_____/.__/ Looks better with the top row underlined mate ;)


Either way looks errrm, nice:tard:


Whats it sposed to mean?

[General Baxter]

very well done baxter, but surely a rotrex would have fitted where the alt is, then move the alt up or down, and use a daihatsu 1.0 one? very small. and that keeps the poly v belt? sounds shexual btw

budget build here

ivv spent about £500 max lol

[gunny]

Agreed, but mine still looks better :p

Front end of a bimmer, but under his username and the useage of it should not be allowed here! lol

[gunny]

budget build here

ivv spent about £500 max lol

Cheapness, my XE GSi owes me 300 quid now lol

[CoolTiger]

will your clutch beable to handle the power ?

[Spudly]

Cheapness, my XE GSi owes me 300 quid now lol


Ill remember that when i wanna buy this one lol

[gunny]

Ill remember that when i wanna buy this one lol

lol Good for you! Build costs wont be reflected in the price though :p

[General Baxter]

will your clutch beable to handle the power ?

no nether will the gearbox lol

[gunny]

no nether will the gearbox lol

lol who cares it will be fun while it lasts!

[Sloth]

thanks for the adjustment gunny. baxter, i did see a rotrex off a vr6 engine go for £100 on edition 38 website. i like the whole budget feel. tis impressive.

[General Baxter]

thanks for the adjustment gunny. baxter, i did see a rotrex off a vr6 engine go for £100 on edition 38 website. i like the whole budget feel. tis impressive.

the only thing iv really had to buy is the charger, pulley and cooler, i made the rest my self and the pipes i allready had lol

[Sloth]

that is mint. you coming to scarborough then in it?

pleassse!!!!

[General Baxter]

that is mint. you coming to scarborough then in it?

pleassse!!!!
no lol

[Sloth]

ahhh dont be gay.

[General Baxter]

i got my hands on a normal adjust reg, not a boost one, iv set it at 3.2 bar on saab reds,

ticks over nice now lol

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/th_Picture016-1.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/?action=view&current=Picture016-1.flv)

[Adam]

3bar on saab reds, are you mad???

[Edd]

Quality!!!!!!

Chargers are the way forward i think.

[General Baxter]

its all part of 'playing' it wont run lean tho lol

it will all be played with again, with diff comp lol

[Adam]

IIRC Saab reds are too large for a PH2 let lol lol

[General Baxter]

IIRC Saab reds are too large for a PH2 let lol lol

iv got loads off diff injectors,

went to the scrappy, and robbed them all lol

[Adam]

YOu really need to get it on a wideband!!!
Ok so it wont be running lean, but mega rich is just as bad

[General Baxter]

i know that lol

iv been looking at them kits on here :)

[blue_peg_16v]

bodged to feck ftw

[Adam]

Gdgd :)

[General Baxter]

bodged to feck ftw
i really doubt that,

if it was bodge, it would of been on the road and blown up a long time ago lol

[CoolTiger]

whens it going on the roller?S

[General Baxter]

went for a drive today, only a little one, 2000rpm if that,

she went boom, photo soon, engine is fine tho ;)

does anyone have a gearbox ? lol

[Southie]

What went boom, your bottom lol ah your gearbox lol

How bad is it then?