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Right im starting to get very pissed off with this x16xe. All it ever seems to do it break down and not work. Im getting to the point in thinking do i bother fixing it all the time. Now im starting to think do i just fit a c20xe in and have done with it or do i keep with the x16xe and hope it do become reliable :confused:
What do you lot reakon?
craig green
20-05-09, 12:30 PM
20XE, though if you want smooth trouble free motoring, dump in a C20NE & purr away for the rest of your days.
Is that the 130 bhp one out of the astra gte ?
dougie_boi
20-05-09, 12:31 PM
c20xe more reliable with just basic servicing
Ok well what about the C20NE like Craig said?
Na i never want a turbo engine so thats out
dougie_boi
20-05-09, 12:39 PM
ne,s are good sturdy lumps just depends what your after speed,reliabilty, etc
Well i want something that not going to be any slower then the 16xe. but id be happy with simlar perfomance but more reliable. dont have to be faster
speed speed speed lol
Im building the 2.2 on tb's for speed
2.0 8v would be good if your wanting something more "reliable" mainly because in my experience they are very strong engines.
novasaloon1984
20-05-09, 01:05 PM
2.0 8v would be good if your wanting something more "reliable" mainly because in my experience they are very strong engines.
and even easyer to work on
Southie
20-05-09, 01:07 PM
1.6 8v ftw cam, twin 40's :D
novasaloon1984
20-05-09, 01:09 PM
1.6 8v ftw cam, twin 40's :D
my 1.6 8v never brakes down. touch wood
and in a 800kg car is fast enought for round the streets and wont pull the front end of my car off after a couple of weeks ha ha
I dont want any t40 or bodies. just want a good standard engine.
Southie
20-05-09, 01:12 PM
I dont want any t40 or bodies. just want a good standard engine.
No such thing, they all break. lol
No such thing, they all break. lol
Rubbish a 1.2 8v indestructible lol Shame they are slow
2stoke 49cc air cooled engine.
bigs, pm bmw156, he has a 2.0 8v forsale out of an astra gte. id go for a 2.0 8v, uber reliable, cover starship mileages, and never bust. and in a nova, theyre fast enough. and the torque is great! plus, if say in a year or so, you need more grunt, an xe or let fits the same mounts. happy days. hell you can even fit em onto a f13 or f15...... look here: www.corsa-novatuning.nl
novasaloon1984
20-05-09, 01:17 PM
I dont want any t40 or bodies. just want a good standard engine.
why you asking a question if you know what you want.
do you need someone to tell you to put a XE egine in?
you say it doest have to be faster that your small block. that gives you a big choose sr sri gte gsi 14xe 2.0 8v.
but you want it standard
you want something that aint going to brake everyday. (well any engine is better than the small block smoke machine to me)
sounds to me you want everything but nothing at the same time
well not really, i was told a x16xe was a good engine and not the cass. I just dont want things like t40's as they eat up fuel
bigs, pm bmw156, he has a 2.0 8v forsale out of an astra gte. id go for a 2.0 8v, uber reliable, cover starship mileages, and never bust. and in a nova, theyre fast enough. and the torque is great! plus, if say in a year or so, you need more grunt, an xe or let fits the same mounts. happy days. hell you can even fit em onto a f13 or f15...... look here: www.corsa-novatuning.nl (http://www.corsa-novatuning.nl)
I might do. So if i went for a 2.0 8v wouldnt need bigger hubs or shafts then. i could use the 1.2 stuff
bigs, you read my post mate? i've had 4 2.0 8v's all of em reliable. the first had 180k on it and sludge for oil, and still hit 145 on my private bit of m1....
novasaloon1984
20-05-09, 01:23 PM
and so does a EX.
do you know what you want at all or where you want to go engine wise with your car?
you
edit: my computer at work decided to die as this was typed....
novasaloon1984
20-05-09, 01:27 PM
you
you want me sloth, but you havent even took me out on a date or nibbled on my ear
you cheeky monkey
nova_jake
20-05-09, 01:30 PM
C20XE all the way, if you get a good un and keep it serviced they seem to be reliable enough and have enough power for a laugh as standard.
Although im getting bored and want a C20LET now ,lol
1600 as ive said. You could have all the problems with a big block. Plus the work involved.
gaznovalet
20-05-09, 01:36 PM
how about the NE on bike carbs ?
He already said he wants it standard, no Bikecarbs or throttle bodies etc.
hey bigs, yeh i have the block, loom, ecu etc all still in car. if untested as yet.
pm me if intersted.
no gearbox mind.
130k on the clocks
I would imagine that a 2.0 8v would be good fun in a Nova, i know the one i had in my Astra GTE pulled really well and i never had a single problem with it. But obviously they arent indestructable and will break just like any engine if they arent looked after properly. I would say that its likely to be more reliable than the 1600 because theres less to go wrong.
You're all homos, X30 the fcuker lol
my house mate is pulling apart his cavs soon, he has i 1.8 8v and a 20ne one , his plan is to bung an 20seh he has lying around in one and sell the other.
i'll ask what engine he will be left with. sure he'll let it go pretty cheap. :thumb:
You're all homos, X30 the fcuker lol
have you not had an electrical fire yet? lol
have you not had an electrical fire yet? lol
He makes a good point, shouldn't RJ be dead from some form of fireball by now? lol
He makes a good point, shouldn't RJ be dead from some form of fireball by now? lol
no from not being able to turn into a corner :p
my house mate is pulling apart his cavs soon, he has i 1.8 8v and a 20ne one , his plan is to bung an 20seh he has lying around in one and sell the other.
i'll ask what engine he will be left with. sure he'll let it go pretty cheap. :thumb:
Yea if its the 20ne could you let me know please
Nope, told you thats not a jagged edge :p
Must find that grommit. Its in my garage... somewhere lol
no from not being able to turn into a corner :p
"ROFLHEDGEFIREDEATH" as RJ put it is a form of fireball! lol
I found it:
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/images/gromit.jpg
craig green
20-05-09, 02:19 PM
well not really, i was told a x16xe was a good engine and not the cass. I just dont want things like t40's as they eat up fuel
Personally I think whatever engine you choose, you are at the mercy of wether you buy a lemon or not. XE's are perfectly reliable in the instances I have owned them (3), but there are countless threads on forums with other XE's that have phantom issues people can't trace etc. Likewise I fail to see why a X16XE should be unreliable for you, however having seen the state of your install/conversion, I'm not surprised it's been a pig. Personally I think you need to find a good example of an engine to use. Maybe buy a donor car & be sure it runs nicely before buying or using it. 8v's can be troublesome aswell but typically run nice & problem free.
A 300quid Cavalier that runs sweet as a nut & idles & pulls cleanly in traffic etc seems like an ideal donor. An XE'd SRi even better.
[edit] The C20NE is a later Cav variant of the 8v & is in Calibras too, it runs a lambda, is lower compression. The 20SER is from the Astra GTE's has no lambda & is 128bhp on an earlier Bosch Jetronic iirc. The SEH if you find one is the Cav SRi 130 lump. The earlier Bosch engines can be a bit lumpy I've found, so the later smoother NE would get my vote, it will eat up the miles.
XE, Whats the point going for an underpowered 8v when you have to go through the hassle of welding/chassis leg mod etc
Unless you have the engine already or can get it very cheap, just go for a 20xe. I would pick the earlier type with dizzy, coilpack ones are ghay lol
Why on alot of votes does it have Burgo? What's so special about Burgo :confused:
well not really, i was told a x16xe was a good engine and not the cass. I just dont want things like t40's as they eat up fuel
How do you come to that conclusion?
I had a x16xe that never broke down once, and wasnt exactly driven tamely lol
Doing several trackdays, and 1/4mile runs.......
Youve just got a bad engine/loom/or whatever.....
The same goes for XE's, some are great and take abuse all day long, others you see countless threads "xe misfiring bah bah".....
And youd be daft fit a 2L 8v inplace of a 1.6 16v imo, either stay 1600 or do a proper 2L :thumb:
Why on alot of votes does it have Burgo? What's so special about Burgo :confused:
Unwritten forum rule, all polls must have a burgo option lol
blue_peg_16v
20-05-09, 08:56 PM
burgo is a legend
xe mate although theres a old bloke who brings his 2.0 8v cav to our garage and thats on 237k going strong!!
my point exactly. nobby, i'll bet it still goes as good as it did new, eh? and whoever said the 2.0 8v isnt a proper 2.0, have you actually driven a good 2.0 8v converted nova? if you get the seh on a f16cr, its as good as a std xe on a f20wr.
my point exactly. nobby, i'll bet it still goes as good as it did new, eh? and whoever said the 2.0 8v isnt a proper 2.0, have you actually driven a good 2.0 8v converted nova? if you get the seh on a f16cr, its as good as a std xe on a f20wr.
lol at this comment, if you put my 1.2i on a short enough set of cogs it will accelerate like a 20xe, up to about 50, and you'll be changing gear every 2 minutes. there's no way you can make a less powerful engine "as good" in all respects by changing the gearbox. Ridiculous.
and have you owned a 2.0 8v seh AND a 2.0 16v xe at the same time?
i was gonna say id buy ur old lump but after your write up wont bother lol
my point exactly. nobby, i'll bet it still goes as good as it did new, eh? and whoever said the 2.0 8v isnt a proper 2.0, have you actually driven a good 2.0 8v converted nova? if you get the seh on a f16cr, its as good as a std xe on a f20wr.
yup its had a clutch and a set of front brakes in the last 2 years failed the last mot on a bulb!!:thumb:
blue_peg_16v
20-05-09, 09:22 PM
and have you owned a 2.0 8v seh AND a 2.0 16v xe at the same time?
sloth his on his high horse again whens he gonna tell ya to put a saab lump in it lol
cant get better than that mate. anyways, bigs its your choice at the end of the day, as we all have our favourites. if its reliability and ease to work on and cheapness, 2.0 8v all the way. blue peg, i'm just giving my experiences, and advice, which is what bigs asked for. if it was saab gen he wanted i'd help.
and have you owned a 2.0 8v seh AND a 2.0 16v xe at the same time?
no, I can do 2 != 1 though... seems your maths is a little shoddy on that front
no, I can do 2 != 1 though... seems your maths is a little shoddy on that front
sorry mate, but that ,makes no sense. i meant a 2.0 8v seh nova and a xe nova at the same time. i have and its suprising how close the two were. the only time the xe had the advantage was 135+ :thumb:
Off-topic, behave please children!
spud, how is it o/t? bigs asked for advice, i gave it with examples.
Youre both arguing and its becoming childish, please take it to pm if you wish to carry on!
SPUD THE NAZI!!
as said mate go for what YOU think is the best? IM not sure what a 1600 is like on fuel but the 2.0s are worse! lol
2.0 16v is far from "bad" on fuel. I got 38mpg out of mine.
A 1.6 brought up to 150bhp will be worse on fuel than a standard 2.0.
Its the same effort to fit a 8v 2L than it is for a 16v, so i just really see NO advantage at all of having the 8v.......????
And before anyone says, they dont make more torque lol
A nice torquey engine like a 20xe in a light shell is very very good on fuel, as you need naff all throttle....
Whereas in a small engine you tend to floor it to get it shifting.
Its a common thing for people to think 2.0 engine= twice the fuel of a 1.0, when it isnt the case ;)
the 8v's plus points are price, availability, and ease to work on.
the 8v's plus points are price, availability, and ease to work on.
hahaha what????
16v cheap too, 150 -250 max.
There are loads down here and for sale everywhere.
Ease to work on??lol v6 can be tricky, but the xe is just as easy a the 8v.
Biggie, xe it, you wont regreet it.
where ya getting xe's for £250 from benn? there about £450 here. a decent 8v can be had from £50 up here.
My xe cost me 250, and chuck a cambelt/waterpump on before you fit it and not much can go wrong.
Nothing difficult to fix anyway.
£50 because noone wants them lol
I just bought an xe, box/loom/ecu/coscast head for £250
Theres no way a 2ltr 8v would keep with an xe, ive had a 2ltr 8v in my astra gte and driven plenty of others (not in a nova i admit), was good up to 4k but they dont go anymore. Xe pulls just as well low down and keeps going top end. The 8vs are good engines but when your choosing to go through all that work/effort/money, why spend it on a less powerful engine?
I stuck a redtop in my astra, made one hell of a difference!
Well £250 is a scrap yard price here. So thats really a max price.
I paid £150 for mine and that was with everything i took off it.
Stright from a rotten cally.
I only paid £700 for a let.
My xe cost me 250, and chuck a cambelt/waterpump on before you fit it and not much can go wrong.
Nothing difficult to fix anyway.
The take it out on track/back roads and abuse it like a kid in care.
Its the same effort to fit a 8v 2L than it is for a 16v, so i just really see NO advantage at all of having the 8v.......????
And before anyone says, they dont make more torque lol
True, and an extra 8 valves doesn't make the engine a massively technical thing either. Its still the same basic engine, just doubled up on camshafts.
An SEH isn't far off the XE for torque though, and it does catch max torque about 2k further down the rev range. As to whether or not that makes it more drivable, well that depends on your style. Low torque makes good at low speed, so town driving. Higher torque makes good for motorway acceleration.
jesus, i sold a 80k dispak xe from a 1993 cali with a good f20 and all the bits inc for £500 and he ripped my hand off.. told me he couldnt find a good un locally.
why do most engine threads result in people bragging about how cheap they got there engines for or how much longer there engines lasted etc etc
**** me, no 2 engines are the same when the left the factory so god knows what state there in after all these years/miles/abuse etc
whats so unrealible about your x16 bigs ? is it something that can be sorted ? if you just sling in a XE without stripping it down (head off at least) you could be in for the same problems
Oh and btw my x16xe is still alive and still hasnt broken down, thats after being in a write off, and in the hands of Baxter lol lol
Can an 'XE' (2.0) be made to run with an F13?
If only the 8v can be made to run the f13 then that surely would be a swaying factor as it makes less work and uses less money. Also the 8v is surely a lot easier to work on. Nobody start the arguement over whether or not f13 are good enough for 2.0 8v.
Don't get me wrong, I've experienced a red top converted Nova and was highly impressed. Just haven't been in an 8v Nova to compare.
Although... my uncle had a an early-ish mk3 cavalier with a c20ne, and that pulled like a train, so must be plenty to haul a Nova along. But I suppose thats really just one of those "my brother's friends auntie's friend's cousin's bothers mate" comments, to anyone else.
About the X16 was what i was saying to bigs on MSN, You could buy a XE and have all the same problem.
jesus, i sold a 80k dispak xe from a 1993 cali with a good f20 and all the bits inc for £500 and he ripped my hand off.. told me he couldnt find a good un locally.
Really? I really need to start buying more xes and selling them to you northeners. My old one was a dispac 130k xe cost 150 as said and it was the best one i've had, was quiet as a mouse and loved everything it weas given.
Never broke and never messed me about.
I think i might have to come for a looksee round your way for a donor engine then benn lol
Theres 3 in a local scrappy. For 250 they'll cut the front off a cally for you.
Thanks to all the replys. ive taken all the advice onbored and going to see what happens. As craig said the wiring isnt great. So im going to go over that and see what happens. If the car dont make it to pvs i will be changing to a 20xe. And about buying one that dont matter. Ive got this one here in my garage.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff314/b17ova/2ltr/2405205740a3724528231b163819341l.jpg
All i need to buy are 2ltr shafts to do the conversion anyway. Oh and loom and ecu
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