Nos

[MyNovaSr]

Would like to get NOS on board.

Where and how much?

Look at some sites and they are quoting £450 for installation...

[keithrg]

Wizard of nos springs to mind but your looking a grand for good safe set up installed

[jimbob-mcgrew]

" IVE SEEN YOU DRIVE ! - YOU'VE GOT A HAIRY FOOT ! - YOU'LL BLOW YOURSELF TO PIECES !! " lol

[mayhem]

is youre ecu mapped? in that case youre going to blow the engine to pieces (nitrous want a late ingnition timing, with mapping the set youre ignition earlyer)

[Adam]

What engine is it? 2L 8v?

And its nitrous, NOS is just a brand.

You wont blow anything to piece if your sensible and jet it correctly :)

[novaguy08]

if you do this, make sure you drive about with a camera attached to your headrest, i wanna see footage of your engine firing out the bonnet!! lmao

IMO Nitrous is overrated tbh, from what i been told a 50 shot only gets you something like 20 odd extra horses...... in order to fit it RIGHT would need to have 2 settings on your ECU, i seen this setup on a cali turbo before (2 boost settings but its possible.) one retarded timing one advanced, so when you press the lil red button you get the right timing setup...... aint easy but in theory its possible!

[mayhem]

redtop can handle about a 60hp shot without any mods. dont know about 8v though.

dont go over 50 hp on a OEM ecu.

[djbrowney]

other than adam have any of you lot ever used nitrous oxide ^^^^

These are the people you want to use, second hand kits come up on ebay quite often aswell

http://www.noswizard.com/

[Adam]

redtop can handle about a 60hp shot without any mods. dont know about 8v though.

dont go over 50 hp on a OEM ecu.
100hp on a controller is easy for a xe.
Jonlem/Turbo gav off VS did just that and made like 230hp on the rollers, and about 240lb/ft torque........
And the engine survived.

[gavint5]

you can mak eyour own mate for pennies. a nice wet system consists of a bottle. a few bits of pipes some wires and two relays. sod all to it. go to ,maxboost.com. read everything their is to know. you'll be busy for around for or five hours whith all the links etc but when your done you will have all the confidence to get it gassed and all the knowledge of how to save money.

[gavint5]

200BHP IS EASY FOR AN XE. they are a serious engine, even the ford boys have toi swallow their pride and fitthem haha

[Stuart]

you can mak eyour own mate for pennies. a nice wet system consists of a bottle. a few bits of pipes some wires and two relays. sod all to it. go to ,maxboost.com. read everything their is to know. you'll be busy for around for or five hours whith all the links etc but when your done you will have all the confidence to get it gassed and all the knowledge of how to save money.


dont expect it to be reliable.... but since when has reliable been important when modding cars hey :wall:

[gavint5]

dont expect it to be reliable.... but since when has reliable been important when modding cars hey :wall:


lol dead right! if your gonna worry about being reliable you'd buy a nice 21st century deisel

[Stuart]

I wouldnt... they are far from reliable lol just its "free" (bar your time) to get new stuff repaired

[novaguy08]

to answer earlier question i havent used it however i read up a bit about nitrous a while ago, so im pretty good on the basics & how to plumb it in, anything more advanced and its past me im afraid, but as i said imo its over-rated, since TFATF come out every bugger wants it! even the title of this thread is a damned conciquence of that movie!

Stiiilll, injecting a gas with more oxygen in it will have its consenquences if done too much, overheating (caused by running too lean) eventually melting things if done too much......... till that happens will be a bit more fun but as i have seen on a clever persons sig, there is no such thing as a simple mod!

[General Baxter]

some times they just explode lol

[novaguy08]

indeed, press lil red button and bye bye head!

[Stuart]

indeed, press lil red button and bye bye head!


FFS only if its setup badly/installed and used by fcukwits :wall:


using fuel injection on an engine can end in a broken one if you dont set it up right, same for carbs, same for turbos.....

[General Baxter]

bah im not a ****wit, i was 'testing' the limit of a TD engine

[novaguy08]

Stuart yeah i know that numnutz who think that there std engine will take a 200 wet shot will get a shock soon after they press that button but there still are people out there whou use it reliably and safley, however most of the cars ive seen are pretty much a death sentance for the engine. (IE Large amount of nitrous into an engine thats been tuned by just bolting on a few external thingys). A well set up system on an engine & managment system that has been tuned to be able to run with large amounts of nitrous will do well till you run out!

as i said, over an over, as far as im concerned its over-rated & opens a nice big can o worms that you have to deal with. Nothing beats old fasioned tuning & spannering.

Baxter, this sounds interesting, what do you mean by "testing" a limit of a td engine?? :D

[MyNovaSr]

Is there anyone local to me that can install/setup a good system for me. If I could have it on a button that would be best as it wont be needed all the time.

[mayhem]

other than adam have any of you lot ever used nitrous oxide ^^^^

These are the people you want to use, second hand kits come up on ebay quite often aswell

http://www.noswizard.com/

i havent, wanted to, so talked to a guy here who's running a saloon XE with a 75 hp shot and now is adding a direct to head 100hp shot to that.

i was adviced not to go over 50hp shot without any mods, but due to my ecu beeing chipped, i cant run it unless i add some extra controller boxes, so that would mean i spend money for stuff to get the ignition later, and i just spend 300 euro on a dyno remapp (ignition is set about 7 degrees earlyer then stock)...

[gavint5]

bollocks to this lot get it done mate. its been used for years and a simple diy wet set up is prefered by most. cheap and very chearfull. there is no better performance mod for your pounds if power is what your after.

if you loook at max boost and read every link about nos then you'll know all you need to know about installing and setting up nos.

havnt somelads from this forum tested the standard xe to destruction with nos? last i heard (over a year ago) a couple lads where gonna jet theres out from 200 bhp to 300 bhp on a nice simple wet shot set up :)

[MyNovaSr]

so is the wet shot easy to set up?

[novaguy08]

a wet shot is more riskey then a dry shot as you need to have the entire system pressurized, more so then a dry shot. Get it near something hot or a small fire and ya could end up with a bigger bang then you were hoping for. Still though with the right solonoids & hosing it should be easy enough to set up.

[jimbob-mcgrew]

personally i wouldnt worry so much about your engine blowing, xe prob handle 25 bhp jets fine.
id be most concerned about your car getting torched mid-run.
if u do go ahead with it, make sure youve got an extinguisher to hand just incase :thumb:

[Stuart]

personally i wouldnt worry so much about your engine blowing, xe prob handle 25 bhp jets fine.
id be most concerned about your car getting torched mid-run.
if u do go ahead with it, make sure youve got an extinguisher to hand just incase :thumb:



is nitrous oxide flamable?

[Adam]

personally i wouldnt worry so much about your engine blowing, xe prob handle 25 bhp jets fine.
id be most concerned about your car getting torched mid-run.
if u do go ahead with it, make sure youve got an extinguisher to hand just incase :thumb:
It realises oxygen when heated and isnt flammable on its own...........

[Stuart]

It realises oxygen when heated and isnt flammable on its own...........


damn you for spoiling my fun

[Adam]

Sowwy :(
He aint replied anyway... lol

[Jonlem]

Crikey there is some knowledge in this thread lmao

A xe will happily take 100hp gains, I used 200/90 jetting on my old white nova and that engine never failed, I must of done over 20 bottles of gas and nearly put a stock fully trimmed xe nova into the 12's on that setup.

Anything over 100hp the gains become smaller but only due to the engine reaching its limit, iirc the green nova was making just over 100hp gains but that was on something like jetting for 180+hp.

I fitted a WON system to Ollys car at last years TOTB and that made a LOT of difference to his already throttle bodied xe which had made 197hp off gas, no controller, jetting for 100hp gains saw him into the 12's with no previous experience of using nitrous.

Search for my videos on youtube as there are plenty of incar clips of my old car and the green nova which shows the huge potential of nitrous.

Regarding ignition timing issues just swap the octane plug if your on a stock ecu xe.

[gavint5]

so would you be agreing to my claim of 200 bhp then? i wonder if the egg on novaguy08's face is gonna start to stink when you show them vids.

nos is no black art only to be messed about with by wizzards. a 200 bhp jet wont blow the head off lol the onlyconcern you should have is keeping the bottle safe in the extremes of temperature as the botytles may just all of a sudden blow up! lol

[Jonlem]

200hp gains ? if so no I don't agree an xe can consume it, tried and tested by myself and several other people.

The green nova had several different setups tried, we never blew anything out of the engine just melted the odd piston and plug due to being far too cocky with how soon we came on the gas.

All the engines we used were stock, no arp's or anything like that.

Considering the cost of a WON kit I wouldn't attempt to build my own kit, it works which is what matters, the only issue I and others have with them is that the development is usually done by the customer.

[novaguy08]

STOP CALLING IT NOS!!
NOS IS A BRAND NAME!!
call it what it bloody is Nitrous, laughing gas, giggle gas, N2O anything but NOS IS NOT WHAT IT IS CALLED!!

**rant over!**
egg?
My face?
Noooooo
ya dont get where im coming from gavint5 im not saying EVERY time that you use it its going to shoot a head off its bolts, im saying that if its used inccorectly then there is a higher likleyhood that ya going to damage something, im just using the head thing as an overdramatization!

So why dont ya go suck on 'dem eggs!!

[gavint5]

your right about buying a kit. there cheap as chips anyways but if you had no clue about nos reading about how to buildyour own kit and even how to modify solenoids for use with nos would realy help to give you a good undersanding of whats going on. i found it did anyway.

i would still make my own bottle or use a co2 can upside down though :) but only cos its free and if you polish them on a lathe they look great.


i meant jetting it for 200 bhp. i havnt tested anything to see the actual gains but that what your saying makes alot of sense cos the effects of nos arnt what i first hoped for having seen gone in sixty seconds all them years ago lol

[gavint5]

novaguy.... so your saying nos is safe aslong as its used propperly which is dead right. the installation is easy and cheap, learning when to use it isnt

[Jonlem]

When we attended the Vauxsport r/r day @ Jamsport we tried 3 different jet settings eventually ending up with jetting for 200hp gains, it actually made about 120hp so we tried going leaner and lost power and same by going richer so we were in the right area. The engine did only manage 1 top speed run the following day at Brunters though so it may well of been on its way out. 4.9 0-60 and 9.6 0-100 is seriously rapid from a stock xe when you compare it to other cars on that day and in general !

If you look at the r/r leaderboard in Total Vauxhall we should still be in there somewhere if you want to check what power it made.

Most of our testing was done on the strip as the pink slip tells you everything if you want to see whats working and what isn't.

Here are a few videos if you haven't managed to find them yet :

Redline FWD Brunters day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxbFE2BXIk

My old white one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX9PeXxUezw

Green one at the pod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ryHrca3-tI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLdUFJpBrY

[gavint5]

would you say gas is more reliable than forced inductions? i mean lets face it if your running a let theres a problem a week!

[novaguy08]

Stuart yeah i know that numnutz who think that there std engine will take a 200 wet shot will get a shock soon after they press that button but there still are people out there whou use it reliably and safley, however most of the cars ive seen are pretty much a death sentance for the engine. (IE Large amount of nitrous into an engine thats been tuned by just bolting on a few external thingys). A well set up system on an engine & managment system that has been tuned to be able to run with large amounts of nitrous will do well till you run out!



When did i mention that is can be used reliably?:confused:?:confused:? hmmmmm

and also it can be more reliable then forced induction...... till you run out that is!

[Jonlem]

Why the hell is FI unreliable ??

Thats slightly off topic I feel

[novaguy08]

jonlem, this guy come off as a bit of a turnip & trying to make me look like i dont know what im talking about.

I think that he is trying to get you to back up his claims are correct and that what i said is pure waffle....... even though were both right he just dont get the idea to shut up!

However asking about fi is a bit random

[gavint5]

im not trying to be a dik ey nova guy but i thaught you where and got on the defensive. who would blame me though. i couls try and sell a set of wheels on here and get greif. i thaught you where trying to say my claim that a c20xe could handle a 200 bhp jet of nos was bull**** and if you read your first post again you'll see why. i just used brung fi into the picture as its an alternative way of getting big power and imo and from my personal experience far less reliable. im not saying i wouldnt use a let cos there bloody awesome when there running but man there bad for breaking. they just have so manythings that break!

it is very off topic mind so lets leave it. i immagine this thread is about done but ill leave some links for the fella enquiring to do his own research.

http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/intake/NOS.htm

above is maxboost which will get you up to scratch and is a great resource

a link from there which is awesome. its a bike fella that wrote it but its so well written and illustrated that when your through you'll be totally at ease with nos.

http://www.dynopower.freeserve.co.uk/nitrous_oxide/

[novaguy08]

its not the fact that im not at ease with NITROUS its the fact that if the application is wrong it can cause majour problems, just as melted pistons and other cylinder related objects, not to mention the extra fire risks & explosion risks that are concerned along with carrying about a 20lb (or other varities of containters!) container of effectivly explosive materials (before anyone mentions it im aware that NITROUS on its own is not explosive and it is in fact the oxygen thats contained within it that is) imo nothing beats old fasioned tuning as well as modern technology to tune & gain power, rather then using something that can last for as little as seconds for short boosts! if you want more power why not have it all the time? thats why you modify something, to make it better ALL of the time! im well aware of how a nitrous system works, as i said earlier i have read up on the basics of a system and if needs must i could plump one in with a little help (mainly as im crap at wiring!).

NITROUS is a good idea on a tuned engine to give it that little extra kick on something like a 1/4 mile but the application on track/everyday use is pointless in my eyes....... why use something like that when you can only really use it on straight roads and on public roads is just plain rekless!

Oh and PLEASE stop calling it NOS, NOS is a brand name, unfortunatly its taken the universal title for NITROUS becuase of the TFATF movies, (didnt you notice that in 2f2f they used an NX kit?!) it gets up my nose how something can be called a brand name when there are a million different brands the make the same thing!

FI is not always a good way for BIG power gains, something like a turbo could only gain you 10-15 horses if its not done right or the wrong application is used, not only that but worst come to worst it would actually SAP power from the engine! Yes they are sometimes unreliable but thats due to the fact a more complecated system has more bugs, or more things that can go wrong with it. Agreed though its off topic so let that lie.....

[Stuart]

its not the fact that im not at ease with NITROUS its the fact that if the application is wrong it can cause majour problems, just as melted pistons and other cylinder related objects, not to mention the extra fire risks & explosion risks that are concerned along with carrying about a 20lb (or other varities of containters!) container of effectivly explosive materials (before anyone mentions it im aware that NITROUS on its own is not explosive and it is in fact the oxygen thats contained within it that is) imo nothing beats old fasioned tuning as well as modern technology to tune & gain power, rather then using something that can last for as little as seconds for short boosts! if you want more power why not have it all the time? thats why you modify something, to make it better ALL of the time! im well aware of how a nitrous system works, as i said earlier i have read up on the basics of a system and if needs must i could plump one in with a little help (mainly as im crap at wiring!).

NITROUS is a good idea on a tuned engine to give it that little extra kick on something like a 1/4 mile but the application on track/everyday use is pointless in my eyes....... why use something like that when you can only really use it on straight roads and on public roads is just plain rekless!

Oh and PLEASE stop calling it NOS, NOS is a brand name, unfortunatly its taken the universal title for NITROUS becuase of the TFATF movies, (didnt you notice that in 2f2f they used an NX kit?!) it gets up my nose how something can be called a brand name when there are a million different brands the make the same thing!

FI is not always a good way for BIG power gains, something like a turbo could only gain you 10-15 horses if its not done right or the wrong application is used, not only that but worst come to worst it would actually SAP power from the engine! Yes they are sometimes unreliable but thats due to the fact a more complecated system has more bugs, or more things that can go wrong with it. Agreed though its off topic so let that lie.....


annoying as it is, we call vacuum cleaners hoovers, clear sticky tape Selotape, ball point pens Biros... I gave up caring that tards call stuff by brand names lol

[novaguy08]

this is true, however we all do switch between the two, or shorten the proper name from said ballpoint pen to just pen ect and it gets quite annoying when nearly EVERYONE calls something by a single brand name & nothing else........

Whislt were on the subject of nitrous, i noticed that gas 'n' air (or entinox) used as pain relive is litterally N2O & o2..... would this not be a better substitue? being as it has even more oxygen in it then just nitrous? obviously in order to do it more fuel would be needed & it is more dangerous then just nitrous but it would be more efficient then just nitrous?

im sure someone has experimented with different fuel aditives IE pure oxygen & various mixes.

[Stuart]

this is true, however we all do switch between the two, or shorten the proper name from said ballpoint pen to just pen ect and it gets quite annoying when nearly EVERYONE calls something by a single brand name & nothing else........

Whislt were on the subject of nitrous, i noticed that gas 'n' air (or entinox) used as pain relive is litterally N2O & o2..... would this not be a better substitue? being as it has even more oxygen in it then just nitrous? obviously in order to do it more fuel would be needed & it is more dangerous then just nitrous but it would be more efficient then just nitrous?

im sure someone has experimented with different fuel aditives IE pure oxygen & various mixes.


entenox = facking expensive for non medial buyers. its the same gas but without the additive that makes you sick lol.

pure O2 into an engine = meltdown FIRE since its an oxidiser which tends to hate oil in a rather flamable way

[novaguy08]

oh yeah i know that one, i remeber hearing about someone putting pure O2 into an engine and watching it sieze after a few seconds of blowing out copius amounts of smoke.

[gavint5]

a vaccuum cleaner is a hoover and because of that film nitrous oxide is also called nos. its a name for christ sake. something we call an item. it doesnt matter what name you pik aslong as everyone knows what your meaning. we can call bunnet or flippertty squeek. it realy doesnt make any ifference as long as everyone recognises it. you realy need to chill or your gonna be more a risk of an explosion that any amount of NO.

im sure its something to do with the amount of potential oxygen contained per cubic inch of nitrous oxide being more than that of pure oxygen that makes it better than pure oxygen. as it is heated in the engine it releases all the oxygen but prior to this it is very cold and you can therefore get more in a tighter hole. not sure about this mind maybe theres a chemist on here that can tell e if im going wrong anywhere????

[novaguy08]

erm, nitrous is nitrogen bonded to oxygen, 2 nitrogen molocules bonded to 1 of oxygen, so therefore it has LESS oxygen per Cubic Inch compared to O2, 2 oxygen molocules bonded together!

When a gas is compressed it gets hot, when its realised its cooled, when it gets into the hot engine it breaks down into nitrogen & oxygen and there is more oxygen compared to regular air (26% iirc) thats the sience behind it!

Pure oxygen is a heavy oxidiser and will pretty much EAT the engine is its injected & itll react quicker then regular usage! Like stuart says!

[gavint5]

it cools the induction temperature by 60 to 70 percent ey and cooler particles are far smaller and you can therefore get far more into the combustion chamber when nitrous oxide is being used. i dont think pure oxygen has this effect at all. im not 100% but i think thats why its used. as i say im not sure as i dont know the temperature of pure oxygen as opposed to that of n20 when they are both in the gas form but i'll let you tell me if you want.

whether im right or wrong its something that i'd find interesting

[novaguy08]

the molocules DO NOT CHANGE SIZE only state (liqud/gas) pure oxygen is an oxydizer, thats why its called an oxydizer, as oxygen creates oxides (eg iron oxide or rust!) (amongst other things!) its an accelerant, which is why if you used it over nitrous then you would burn REALLY well but only for a few seconds, ffs hit youtube and search liquid oxygen & see the results!

when something turns from a liquid to gas it cools (apart from water!) when it goes from a gas to liquid it heats, (apart from water!) its not got anything to do with the tempriture anywho! the only reason tempriture comes into it is because when the nitrous hits the hot engine it splits into oxygen & nitrogen (as ive already explained!) its the oxygen that burns hotter and gives you the extra power.

dude did you not have GCSE science??????? read a flamin revision guide for chemistry, ffs, its all in there!!

[novaguy08]

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2008/09/Rocket%20Jump/PCG192.feat_science.fail--article_image.jpg

[gavint5]

so since your so clever why dont we use pure oxygen? that was your first question lol. i still think its cos with teh nitrogen you can get more oxygen into a cubic inch as opposed to squirting pure oxygen in there. when the oxygen is cooled by the nitrogen the particles move alot less and take up less space and you can therefore get more in. gcse key stage 2 year 11 14 year olds stuff

[gavint5]

i barely attended school probbaly less than one day in three across my last two years and i never done a peice of coursework but i still got a dd in my dual science having aced the test and had answered a section of one test which hadnt been covered in the sylabus by anyone in the school. not bad eh.

[gavint5]

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2008/09/Rocket%20Jump/PCG192.feat_science.fail--article_image.jpg



lol go on check what ive said and eat this!

[Welsh Dan]

so since your so clever why dont we use pure oxygen? that was your first question lol. i still think its cos with teh nitrogen you can get more oxygen into a cubic inch as opposed to squirting pure oxygen in there. when the oxygen is cooled by the nitrogen the particles move alot less and take up less space and you can therefore get more in. gcse key stage 2 year 11 14 year olds stuff


If liquid oxygen was used it would have a greater effect than using liquid nitrous oxide, but the effect would be too great and things would melt/break/burn.

In theory you could run a turbocharged engine on ethanol and liquid oxygen for muchos power, but in practise it would go bang ;).

[gavint5]

wouldnt this be down the the extreme power gained though as opposed to a poor mix? and that the parts simply are not made to handle such power???

[gavint5]

i hope you can tell me if im wrong and not just check on wikipedia and mock me for having a guess based on my understandings of how things work like!

yes this is a stab at novaguy

[novaguy08]

We dont use pure oxygen because if it doesnt melt a piston or a valve to the head then it will fire a piston out the bottom and the head off its bolts all at the same freeking time! Its a question i know the answer to, and was throwing it into the mix for giggles!

There is more oxygen in a square inch of pure oxygen then there is in a square inch of nitrous oxide, for the simple reason being an oxygen atom is the same size no matter the tempriture same as a nitrogen atom, when 3 atoms bond together to create N2O then you will have a molocule 3 the same volume as each of the atoms put together plus a small distance between them due to the electrons the circle the nutrons. A nitrous oxide molocule is bigger then an oxygen molocule, end of.

WTF are you on about with, "when the oxygen is cooled by the nitrogen the particles move alot less" the nitrogen doesnt cool the oxygen the nitrogen is bonded to the oxygen, which reverses when its heated!

GCSE key stage 2, you obviously didnt take.......mainly i say this as 1 you have no understanding of basic chemistry, and 2, its in key stage 3 you take the exams. (your GCSE year)

the only thing you have correct in your statement so far is that cooler molocules more less....... thats it

END OF

I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!

[novaguy08]

lmfao you think im looking all this up on wikipedia??????????

This is all coming off the top of my head you plum, get over yourself, you have absolutly NO ****ing idea of what your saying!!! so get over yourself & shut ya face! Im no idiot & if the battle of the minds is laid down prepare to loose yours!

Oh yeah, seeing as ya STILL have your deluded ideas i thought i would save you the trouble of youtubing liquid oxygen, have a look at this and tell me that it wont melt anything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjPxDOEdsX8

It would also go bang because of the MASSIVE amount of heat created by using such a volotile cocktail of fuel/accelerants!

[novaguy08]

just to point out, i dispise it when someone questions my intelegance, i know im a dunce sometimes, but when its something i know, i know it & if someone questions what i know there WILL be trouble

[gavint5]

novaguy you know **** all! youa re a dunce and you should just take a telling

[~~joycey~~]

novaguy you know **** all! youa re a dunce and you should just take a telling


I have just read through this whole thread and have come to the conclusion that your a fcuking idiot!


That is all.

[novaguy08]

oh ok then, ill bend over and let ya TELL me some bs about more oxygen per square inch in nitrous oxide compared to pure oxygen becuase the nitrogen cools the oxygen............. dude read the ****ing revision manual then come crawling with ya tail between ya legs cos ya got it WRONG

[novaguy08]

hahaha lol

Tell ya what gavint, when ya stop talking sh1t then people might take you seriously!

:tard:

[gavint5]

your looking for an argument you tit. im not even gonna bite. you actually laid that first reply there to try and get something out of me didnt you lol you sad little ****er. come back whenyouve nos on your wardrobe. and i meant actual nos not the gas. i gave what i thaught was the answer and youve tried to mock me since. if i am wrong show me why then. its no good simply jumping down someones thraught when there wrong. i still think your talking **** and ive got it right although i am hazy as its been a long time since school but if you can show me im wrong then do it. gimme a link that proves there is less axygen per cubic inch of nitrous oxide than in pure oxygen. if you do this ill accept our word and still think your a cock

[gavint5]

goodnight for now though lads ive stuff to do tommorow

[novaguy08]

why the hell do i need to drop you a link????? Yeah i dropped you a reply, to correct you as you were spouting crap & continued to do so and have in fact insulted me in the idea that I dont know what im talking about, dispite the fact that erm, i know what im on about & im pretty sure that there will be someone on here that will be happy to agree with me in the fact there is more oxygen in oxygen compared to nitrous oxide........

I didnt jump down your throte about this, i pointed out the fact & you jumped down MY throte and insulted me by not realizing simple physics, and continuing to question me & in fact throwing even more crap into the pot!

Im mocking you because ya have the deluded idea that something which contains LESS oxygen at a molecular level has more oxygen per square inch compared to PURE ****ING OXYGEN!

You are behaving like a plum, i shall treat you like a plum, its the same with everyone i speak to.

Stuart, i know that someone has obviously hit the "bad post" button and you will be reading this shortly, i realize its awfully off topic & even im confused on how it got to this point, however I would like to say in my defence that im trying to state a scientific fact and getting awfully shot down about it, im only fighting my corner about this!

You want proof of something the try to count this, when you have 10 molocules of nitrous you have 20 atoms of nitrogen & 10 of oxygen, thats 30 atoms in total, 10 molocules of oxygen (O2) you have 20 atoms of oxygen, so for something that takes up the same amount works out to have DOUBLE the oxygen!

So you tell me how you can have more oxygen per square inch of something that is 1 larger then an oxygen molocule & 2 has 1/3 less oxygen in it compared to pure oxygen??? and dont give me some bs about the nitrogen cooling the oxygen meaning that the move less and therefore you can compress more into the space, as its in fact the opposite, if ya compress something it heats up!

Thank you and goodnight!!! >:(

[Stuart]

Stuart, i know that someone has obviously hit the "bad post" button and you will be reading this shortly, i realize its awfully off topic & even im confused on how it got to this point, however I would like to say in my defence that im trying to state a scientific fact and getting awfully shot down about it, im only fighting my corner about this!


you at the very least sound like you know what you are on about... unlike some folks called gavint5...

tbh its gone way off and some people have taken things a little personally. I shall close it and if the OP wants to start a new nitrous thread, I'll dig jonlems posts out as they are useful for automotive engineering :)