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FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 12:21 AM
Been offered a M45 supercharger off a mini as hes upgrading and ive also been offered a 1.6 8v that im going to buy no matter what...

Now is it a totally stupid idea to try and combine the two? :)

What problems can you experienced guys see?

Im thinking 2 HG's and a spacer to lower compression? or would new pistons be better? (bearing in mind i would like to keep it fairly cheap) and a custom pully off the crank? Ill fab up an inlet no problems.

Now its just an idea and i would like some constructive ideas so keep the bullshnit to a minimum please :thumb:
Sloth
11-05-09, 12:25 AM
use 1.6 spi pistons, as there dished, fit a spacer and two gaskets and youll see a nice 8.5 to 1 c/r. fit a boost sensing fpr and some c20ne injectors and its all good. btw thats for a c16se post 1993.
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 12:32 AM
Rep added sir :)

Goes off to ebay with his shopping list......
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 12:37 AM
Whats the difference with the post 93 engine to say a gsi engine (92)
Sloth
11-05-09, 12:44 AM
the management system. pre 1993 its on a dizzy post its coilpack. i personally prefer the post 93 setup due to the sensor setup being better and the fact that there is more post 93 engines about. but the earlyier dizzy ones are more adjustable to boost. swings and roundabouts mate. if you find a pas equipped c16se just put the charger where the pas pump goes.
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 12:50 AM
Nice!! I wont worry about the gsi engine then.

Theres nothing else that would need upgrading?
Sloth
11-05-09, 01:17 AM
hmm, not really, just keep to a lowish boost pressure. plus you can run a b.o.v aswell!
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 04:06 PM
Would you recommend putting the throttle bodie before or after the charger and ic?

Also would a 2.0 8v throttle be beneficial?
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 06:59 PM
Right ive sourced most of the parts now.

Is this correct?

Air filter > Throttle bodie (2.0 8v item?) > FMIC > Charger > Custom inlet with injectors taped in? > Head........

Rough design for inlet....

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb121/beattyhoskins/Chargerdirecttohead.jpg

With the 2.0 injectors tapped into the manifold?
Jack
11-05-09, 07:10 PM
No.

Air Filter (air in) > Charger (compress air) > FMIC (cool the charge) > TB (mix with fuel) > Inlet (to put into engine)

Charger comes before the fuel/air mix - it gets very hot so the last thing you want is petrol in it, unless you're doing anti lag, but thats a different kettle of fish. Hence why the FMIC is between the charger and the TB, as it cools the charge before going in the engine.
FUSION X16XE
11-05-09, 07:16 PM
Right this is were there could be a problem then....
Jack
11-05-09, 07:21 PM
Why?
Dirtydog1
11-05-09, 07:26 PM
do it lad! dont even bother dropping the cr! just retard the timing slightly, itl go like fook!
General Baxter
11-05-09, 07:28 PM
do a 16v as the inlet manifold splits anyway lol
Sloth
11-05-09, 07:40 PM
/\ dont be gay.
i said drop the cr as a safety measure. last thing ya need is an engine spitting its tits out 20 miles after a conversion, trust me its crap...
FUSION X16XE
12-05-09, 12:29 AM
Why?

Not to worry its all sorted :thumb:

Im watching some items on ebay so hopefully i will be able to start this soon.

Anyone know were i can get a reversed inlet manifold? Ive seen them used in mini conversions and it would make routing the pipes easier for me.
General Baxter
12-05-09, 06:55 PM
a mini shop lol
Stuart
12-05-09, 07:15 PM
do it lad! dont even bother dropping the cr! just retard the timing slightly, itl go like fook!


mmmmm burnt out exhaust valve tastic!!! FAIL.


why for not in technical?
skidmarkz
12-05-09, 07:21 PM
No.

Air Filter (air in) > Charger (compress air) > FMIC (cool the charge) > TB (mix with fuel) > Inlet (to put into engine)

Charger comes before the fuel/air mix - it gets very hot so the last thing you want is petrol in it, unless you're doing anti lag, but thats a different kettle of fish. Hence why the FMIC is between the charger and the TB, as it cools the charge before going in the engine.

simple yet spot on :)
craig green
12-05-09, 07:27 PM
This will be nice if you build it, shame the Eaton isnt ideal but a Rotrex on a 16XE or 18XE would be awesome.
Stuart
12-05-09, 08:11 PM
This will be nice if you build it, shame the Eaton isnt ideal but a Rotrex on a 16XE or 18XE would be awesome.

Heatons are uber lossy, but "cheap"

as a ball park, to get a 100bhp (at the fly) gain, it takes 30bhp to spin up the Eaton on the US/UK 2.2 S/C conversions. A Rotrex uses something like half that :D