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Alonso leads after first bend but car breaks or explodes before the end.
Red bulls have epic strategy fail
Brawn 1 - 2 with a possible Rosberg surprise on the podium.
large_steve182
18-04-09, 08:53 PM
i predict hamilton going to have a whinge about something
everybody having new diffusers as the people who didnt got pwned
jackie chan showing up everywhere in the crowd
and more people being buttons best friend now hes winning.
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 08:55 PM
^ lol
Button FTW IMO. The Toyotas look strong. Hamilton might, MIGHT, come into play, would be good to see him up there. Ferrari lol not a cat in hells chance IMO.
I was shocked with the Red Bull performance. But the full loads showed they are very light. Alonso is also light, thus becoming a moving roadblock!
1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 644kg
2. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 637
3. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 646.5
4. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 661
5. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 659
6. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 664.5
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 650.5
8. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 673.5
9. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 679
10. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 673
11. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 679
12. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 697
13. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 690
14. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 682.7
15. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 690
16. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 697.9
17. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 659
18. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 648
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, 652
20. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 679.5
everybody having new diffusers as the people who didnt got pwned
Yeah, im sure Vettel is gutted he doesnt have one
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 08:59 PM
I think Ross Brawn hit the nail on the head. If the other teams think its just the diffuser that makes a difference, they are mistaken.
I think Ross Brawn hit the nail on the head. If the other teams think its just the diffuser that makes a difference, they are mistaken.
Absolutely right. Just like the kers system IMO.
LMFAO at Kimi's fuel load. If Rosberg can get past the toyota before the firts set of stops, my prediction looks pretty good, especially looking at the weight of the Brawns!
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 09:06 PM
But then if Rosberg is in 7th what happened to his qualifying pace?
Looking at the weight of the Brawns, just proves their pace is good.
General Baxter
18-04-09, 09:08 PM
Ferrari
McLaren
will have a moan about something
But then if Rosberg is in 7th what happened to his qualifying pace?
DOnt ask me why, i just have a weird feeling Toyota are going to have a bad day lol
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 09:11 PM
I dont think they will. I think they know they are slow. IMO, McLaren have made a step forward witht the car. Hamilton was fastest in the first session of friday practice.
Ferrari, well....Massa in 13th (lol) and Kimi in 8th MIGHT come in to play after the second phase of stops??
DOnt ask me why, i just have a weird feeling Toyota are going to have a bad day lol
lol in all honesty i feel this years WCC will be between Toyota and Brawn. So yeah i would too love them to have a bad day!
Kimis Kers will catch fire again :) Unless they've ditched it, i didnt see any of the programme today.
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 09:14 PM
IIRC they have ditched it. As have Renault and Kubica.
Only three cars are currently running the KERS system
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 09:47 PM
i predict a brawn 1-2 with trulli in 3rd if alonso gets to the front he will hold every thing up and play right into the brawns hands with the fuel loads they are carrying, and how heavy is hamilton still think he will be lucky to get top 5 though
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 09:54 PM
Hamilton is heavy in 9th, which is why i say, maybe they have taken steps forward.
Hamilton is heavy in 9th, which is why i say, maybe they have taken steps forward.
.. not forgetting Lewis is a damn fine driver, despite being a daddies boy and losing a lot of peoples respect lol
Fiver says he follows Ron out the door at the end of the season and follows him like a lamb to whatever he's involved in at the time lol
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:05 PM
lol wasnt too keen on answering the media today. When asked "will you see out your 5 year deal.." he responded, "i'm happy where i am.."
I reckon he will stay TBH.
I cant really see the first 3 qualifiers lasting the pace. I'm expecting Brawns to get in amongst them quite early on.
lol wasnt too keen on answering the media today. When asked "will you see out your 5 year deal.." he responded, "i'm happy where i am.."
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yeah, because saying 'no, im fecking off after this year' really keeps your options open lol
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 10:08 PM
i recon he will replace kimi in the ferrari befor too long
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:09 PM
yeah, because saying 'no, im fecking off after this year' really keeps your options open lol
Maybe he did learn from Alonsos mistakes after all lol
i recon he will replace kimi in the ferrari befor too long
A black man in a Ferarri?!?!?! The FIA will probably have one big collective stroke!
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 10:23 PM
i just think he will stay with one of the big teams i know its been shaken up a bit this year, but i feel next season it will be back to normal with ferrari and mclaren at the front, the teams that are there now (brawn toyota and williams) all stoped developing there cars last year and spent the time and funds on this years car, so with the resorces both ferrari and mclaren have once they have had time to properly develop the car they will be back at the front but the ban on mid season testing may slow there rise till next season.
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:30 PM
I'm not so sure. The new changes (there is more coming for 2010 IIRC) have levelled it out IMO, which is a bloody good thing, going on the first 2 races.
over the last couple of seasons, Max Mosley has been banging on about the need to remove the 'big' teams from F1..... £5 says he is the driving force behind the fact that the non big teams are way faster than the big teams.... I'm not claiming a conspiracy, but the teams all go to the FIA in the pre-season and ask them if their car is legal..... isn't it funny how certain teams were told it was & others weren't
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:33 PM
Really? Like who? The way i see it, Ferrari and McLaren were the top teams, they are now playing catch up and cant just spend and/or test their way out of trouble.
On a little side note, I found it very intresting that Alonso's Renault was picking up the front wheel.
I wouldnt be surprised Mowglers, F1 is probably just as corrupt as eveyone thinks it is.
As for Brawn being a one season wonder. i doubt it very much. If they manage the constructors title this year, sponsors will be climbing all over them, and im pretty sure Branson will give them a blank cheque if they promise to make the team as green as possible. And Ross Brawn is the type of guy who could make a car made from papier mache fast!
On a little side note, I found it very intresting that Alonso's Renault was picking up the front wheel.
So was Lewis.
Both cars have also been rush bodged with the fabled diffuser. Shouldnt be a link there but it makes for interesting watching.
Interesting structural failiure alert as per my first post? :)
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:37 PM
On a little side note, I found it very intresting that Alonso's Renault was picking up the front wheel.
As was Hamiltons.
As for Brawn being a one season wonder. i doubt it very much. If they manage the constructors title this year, sponsors will be climbing all over them, and im pretty sure Branson will give them a blank cheque if they promise to make the team as green as possible. And Ross Brawn is the type of guy who could make a car made from papier mache fast!
+1.
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 10:38 PM
Really? Like who? The way i see it, Ferrari and McLaren were the top teams, they are now playing catch up and cant just spend and/or test their way out of trouble.
if they stay this far off the pace this season after halfway point they will do what brawn (honda) did last year and just start to work on next years car, and once the rule stabalize the big teams will come back to the front, its happened in the past and cant see any reason for it not to happen again
Hamilton as well. Humm. I will watch with intrest. I was only watching with one eye this morning and I occasionally dropped back off to sleep.
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:41 PM
In all fairness, it is probably too early to write them off, but they obviously have not got the pace.
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 10:41 PM
I wouldnt be surprised Mowglers, F1 is probably just as corrupt as eveyone thinks it is.
As for Brawn being a one season wonder. i doubt it very much. If they manage the constructors title this year, sponsors will be climbing all over them, and im pretty sure Branson will give them a blank cheque if they promise to make the team as green as possible. And Ross Brawn is the type of guy who could make a car made from papier mache fast!
not saying they will be a one season wonder but can just see the bigger teams coming back to the front, but then again who could of predicted williams fall from grace 10 years ago
if they stay this far off the pace this season after halfway point they will do what brawn (honda) did last year and just start to work on next years car, and once the rule stabalize the big teams will come back to the front, its happened in the past and cant see any reason for it not to happen again
I can. Its called the recession
I bet the italians aren't selling as many supercars as they used to be. Most of them probably belonged to merchant bankers. Say no more.
As for McLaren, I bet theyre sitting fapping close to the breadline, and Vodafone jumped ship on Ferarri when they were still doing well so I doubt they will hang around with their name on a mid table team, especially when they are also struggling like feck. And seeing as a few of the current top runners are british teams, ill put another fiver on the speech mark being on another car before the year is out.
They need to pull their finger out pronto or they will be royally fooked.
not saying they will be a one season wonder but can just see the bigger teams coming back to the front, but then again who could of predicted williams fall from grace 10 years ago
I still blaim Jacques Villeneuve & his manager for that.. williams was using renault engines & BAT tobacco money, then Craig Pollock poached them both & bought tyrrell.... then spent 5 years & untold millions weeing it up a pub wall in brackley.......
I visit the official F1 website http://www.formula1.com/
and Norbert Haug has been shouting it from the rooftops that the brawns have Merc engines..
I think Ferrari will make the quickest return to form, the 30km shakedowns that are allowed without breaking the test ban mean they can run the 2 race cars & the spare round their test track as much as they did last year......
apparently the Red bulls advantage is not related to the trick diffuser anyway...
8am tomorrow will be very interesting
I didnt think the red bulls were running the diffuser??
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 10:59 PM
I dont think they are.
I didnt think the red bulls were running the diffuser??
autosport reckon they aren't. their front aero is supposed to be way ahead of the other cars.
I still think they will have a massive strategy failiure. Lets face it, they are only just getting used to both of their cars making T1 lol
Bless poor old David, I bet he's sick as a dog lol
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 11:02 PM
I still blaim Jacques Villeneuve & his manager for that.. williams was using renault engines & BAT tobacco money, then Craig Pollock poached them both & bought tyrrell.... then spent 5 years & untold millions weeing it up a pub wall in brackley.......
the only satisfying thing about the whole affair is that villeneuve effectivly ended his f1 carea with that move bar were pants lol
i have a soft spot for williams think its from being a kid and watching mansell driving for them, wa gutted when his tyre went in oz, glad to see they are moving forward hope they manage to get a decent sponsor for next season when rbs pull out so they can have a decent budget and can continue to move forward
Until they mount their flywheel based kers system and it all goes to pot again.
Pistol Pete
18-04-09, 11:07 PM
autosport reckon they aren't. their front aero is supposed to be way ahead of the other cars.
Isnt their car an Adrian Newey design of McLaren fame?
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 11:08 PM
Until they mount their flywheel based kers system and it all goes to pot again.
true sure there must be a reason none of the other teams have gonne for that design lol
Its probably because none of the other teams have employed Baldrick.
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 11:09 PM
Isnt their car an Adrian Newey design of McLaren fame?
yes also designed the williams renaults when they were winning everything very clever man
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 11:09 PM
Its probably because none of the other teams have employed Baldrick.
lmao
Until they mount their flywheel based kers system and it all goes to pot again.
did you ever hear about the experimental williams f15 with a version of the daf variomatic transmission (remember those fords & fiats in the early nineties) after a test at silverstone, where they went 2.5 seconds faster than the regular car, which was winning the world championship, the fia promptly issued a ruling that f1 cars must have a gearbox with fixed ratios!!!
the point I'm making is that williams can still push the technology & maybe the flywheel is a real winning concept.. a lot of research was done some years back with trams & buses with flywheel storage but how it will affect the handling will be the hard bit.
Its the handling thats the issue apparently, it generates hellish centrifugal force. The technology is definately sound, but on a knife edge balanced race car?
Im interested to see the results anyway
blue_peg_16v
18-04-09, 11:14 PM
did you ever hear about the experimental williams f15 with a version of the daf variomatic transmission (remember those fords & fiats in the early nineties) after a test at silverstone, where they went 2.5 seconds faster than the regular car, which was winning the world championship, the fia promptly issued a ruling that f1 cars must have a gearbox with fixed ratios!!!
the point I'm making is that williams can still push the technology & maybe the flywheel is a real winning concept.. a lot of research was done some years back with trams & buses with flywheel storage but how it will affect the handling will be the hard bit.
jesus 2.5 sec wernt they about a second a lap quicker than owt else at that point anyway no wonder the fia put a stop to it
jesus 2.5 sec wernt they about a second a lap quicker than owt else at that point anyway no wonder the fia put a stop to it
correct, but just imagine what a 800hp v10 running at full power/revs with the transmission making up the difference would have looked and sounded like.
Well I was wrong about the red bulls. Fair play to them, really pleased for Vettel.
Weird how the toyotas had a bad day though lol Please see religion thread! I must be a medium!
Gutted for Sutil though :(
sutil must be good to have dragged that taxi as far as he did, but the poor lad never gets points from these brave wet drives...
that irish bloke Tim O'Glock is good though, even though he did about 3 wings... but poor trulli must have shat himself when that bmw shagged his car...
at least I got vettel & the renault lump on my fantasy gp
Cant help but think the red bulls would have slipped back if it was dry, but we'll never know :)
I got screwed on the fantasy F1 front, toyota manufacturer, ferrari engines, jenson and nico rosberg lol I predict a drop of about 3-4 places for me.
their drivers are definitely rain specialists...
I think lewis & heiki were having a great tortoise & hare race, I lost track how many spins lewis had
rubens was not a happy man. but then jenson admitted that the brawns were struggling to get any heat into the tyres
blue_peg_16v
19-04-09, 05:01 PM
their drivers are definitely rain specialists...
I think lewis & heiki were having a great tortoise & hare race, I lost track how many spins lewis had
rubens was not a happy man. but then jenson admitted that the brawns were struggling to get any heat into the tyres
ye wa wierd to ser jenson weaving down the straight under race conditions trying to get heat into em, well done red bull but think button will have a good chance at the next one as long as its dry still outstanding today lets not forget brawn havent even tested in the wet
Brawn will have used today as a wet test anyway. Lots of data to go away and play with :)
blue_peg_16v
19-04-09, 07:47 PM
think this will be the best chance for button to get the title the speed they have shown in the dry think it will take at least half the season for anyone to seriously challange them, button would of been second if he hadnt gonne off not bad for your first wet test
Pistol Pete
25-04-09, 07:57 PM
Thought rather than start a new thread i would bump this one...
Good quali session today. Toyotas are light. By quite abit. Vettel FTW again? Hamilton on the pace, as is Button. Should be a good race IMO. Cant wait.
1. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 648.5 kg
2. Timo Glock, Toyota, 643
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 659
4. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 652.5
5. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 652.5
6. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 649
7. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 650.5
8. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 664.5
9. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 670.5
10. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 671.5
11. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 678.5
12. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 680.9
13. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 698.6
14. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 696.3
15. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 677.6
16. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 678.5
17. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 652
18. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 656
19. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 679
20. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 667.5
if trulli has his rare good day, then toyota will get their long awaited win... but when he sticks it on pole, he usually makes a mess of things.
Tim O'Glock is fast, but reckless.. expect fireworks
jenson is not that much heavier and is getting used to winning
lewis will go backwards. his outright pace has flattered the mclaren
my money is on vettel
bourdais has proved yet again that champ car was pants & his championships aren't worth anything
the bmw's are fueled for a one stopper, do they know something we don't?
Who's watching it then? Theres been more action in the first couple of laps than the whole of last season lol
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