V6 no spark

[Jack]

Right, the V6 (B308i = X30) currently refuses to start. Scratchy head time.

We have fuel, but no spark. Before fitting in the saloon, the engine started up Ok.

Effectively all we've done is tidied up the loom (all sensors are still attached!) and extended the part that goes to the dispack - however, these wires have good connectivity so no shorts or dodgy joins there.
Replaced: ECU, Dispack, Cam Sensor, Spark Plugs. Haven't replaced the crank sensor (yet) but Lee has checked it and it seems to be Ok.
Everything is earthed Ok, all appropriate wires from the ignition components to the ECU are good.

Lee took a plug out and earthed it on the slam panel, good earth but no spark when turning over.

Is it possible that if the timing was a little out (as in one tooth max) from where we did the cambelt, that either the cam or crank sensor would stop the car from starting? I thought it would start but just run like a bag of nails...

[Ernie]

It would probabaly still run then bend all the valves then sound like a sewing machine then stop imho.

Have you got Dave Marshalls number as he is a bit of a god with these engines.

[ck]

have you checked your coil pack for 12v+?

[Southie]

Any ecu fault codes coming up?

[Southie]

You probably already printed them out, but now you have them backed up here too :D


BOSCH Motronic ECU Fault Codes
This fault code chart shows the Bosch Motronic fault codes for the following systsms:
1.5, 1.7, 1.8, 2.5, 2.7, 2.8, 2.8.1, 2.8.3, 3.1, MP3.1, 3.2, 4.1, 5.1, 5.1.1, First Generation and MPi.

Fault:
12 Initiation of diagnosis. n/a
13 Oxygen sensor No change in voltage/open circuit.
14 Coolant Temperature Sensor (CTS) Low voltage
15 Coolant Temperature Sensor (CTS) High voltage
16 Knock sensor 1 No change in voltage
17 Knock sensor 2 No change in voltage
18 Knock control unit No signal, Engine Control Unit (ECU) fault
19 RPM signal (crankshaft sensor) Incorrect signal
21 Throttle position sensor High voltage
22 Throttle position sensor Low voltage
23 Knock sensor module n/a
24 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) No signal
25 Injector valve 1 High voltage
26 Injector valve 2 High voltage
27 Injector valve 3 High voltage
28 Injector valve 4 High voltage
28 Fuel pump relay Low voltage
29 Injector valve 5 High voltage
31 Engine RPM signal (crankshaft sensor) No signal
32 Injector valve 6 High voltage
32 Fuel pump relay High voltage
33 Inlet manifold pressure sensor Voltage too high
34 Exhaust Gas Re-circulation (EGR) valve Voltage too high
34 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor Low voltage
35 Idle Speed Control Valve (ISCV) Poor or no idle speed control
36 Incorrect RON/Octane setting Damaged RON plug or bad connection.
37 Engine self-diagnosis (fault code light) Low voltage
38 Oxygen sensor Voltage low (1990 model year on)
39 Oxygen sensor Voltage high (1990 model year on)
41 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) Low voltage
41 1 gear ident switch (C20LET systems) Low voltage
41 EST Line coil cylinder 2&3 (M2.8/XEV systems) High voltage
42 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) High voltage
42 1 gear ident switch (C20LET systems) High voltage
42 EST Line coil cylinder 2&3 (M2.8 / XEV systems) High voltage
43 Linear EGR system (XEV systems) Faulty
44 Oxygen sensor Air/fuel mixture too lean (weak)
45 Oxygen sensor Air/fuel mixture too rich
46 Air pump relay High voltage
47 Air pump relay Low voltage
47 Linear EGR Position (XEV systems) Faulty
48 Battery voltage Low voltage
49 Battery voltage High voltage
51 ECU Programmable memory PROM error, hardware failure
52 Engine check light; final stage (fault code light) High voltage
53 Fuel pump relay Low voltage
54 Fuel pump relay High voltage
55 Engine Control Unit (ECU) fault Renew Engine Control Unit (ECU)
56 Idle Speed Control Valve (ISCV) Short to earth
57 Idle Speed Control Valve (ISCV) Interruption
59 Inlet manifold valve 1 Low voltage
61 Fuel Tank Vent Valve (FTVV) Low voltage
62 Fuel Tank Vent Valve (FTVV) High voltage
63 Inlet manifold valve 1 High voltage
63 EST Line coil cylinder 2&3 (M2.8 / XEV systems) Low voltage
64 EST Line coil cylinder 1&4 (M2.8 / XEV systems) Low voltage
65 Carbon Monoxide (CO) potentiometer Low voltage
66 Carbon Monoxide (CO) potentiometer High voltage
67 Throttle valve switch - idle position switch Low voltage - switch not opening
68 Throttle Switch (TS) - idle contact Idle switch not opening
69 Air Temperature Sensor (ATS) Low voltage
71 Air Temperature Sensor (ATS) High voltage
72 Throttle Switch (TS) - full load contact High voltage - Full load switch not running
73 Air Flow Sensor (AFS) Low voltage
74 Air Flow Sensor (AFS) High voltage
75 Transmission switch - torque control Low voltage
76 Automatic Transmission (AT) torque control Engaged long, ignition retard long
79 Traction control unit Incorrect ignition/injector cut-off
81 Injector valve 1 Low voltage
82 Injector valve 2 Low voltage
83 Injector valve 3 Low voltage
84 Injector valve 4 Low voltage
85 Injector valve 5 Low voltage
86 Injector valve 6 Low voltage
87 Air Conditioning (AC) cut off relay Low voltage
88 Air Conditioning (AC) cut off relay High voltage
89 Oxygen sensor heater Low voltage
91 Oxygen sensor heater High voltage
92 Camshaft sensor failure (XEV systems) Faulty
93 Hall Effect Switch (HES) Low voltage
94 Hall Effect Switch (HES) High voltage
95 Hot start valve Low voltage
96 Hot start valve High voltage
97 Traction control unit - ignition/injection cut off Incorrect signal - high voltage
98 Oxygen sensor Open circuit, wiring break
99 Code unknown n/a
113 Turbo boost control Boost presure high, out of range
114 Idle boost valve Above upper limit
115 Full boost pressure Below lower limit
116 Boost pressure Above upper limit
117 Wastegate valve Low voltage
118 Wastegate valve High voltage
121 Oxygen sensor 2 Lean exhaust, weak mixture
122 Oxygen sensor 2 Rich mixture/exhaust
123 Inlet manifold valve 1 Blocked
124 Inlet manifold valve 2 Blocked
132 Exhaust Gas Re-circulation (EGR) valve Incorrect signal
133 Exhaust Gas Re-circulation (EGR) valve 2 High voltage
134 Exhaust Gas Re-circulation (EGR) valve 2 Low voltage
135 ‘Check engine’ lamp (fault code lamp) Low voltage
136 Engine Control Unit (ECU) n/a
137 Engine Control Unit (ECU) box High temperature
141 Secondary air pump Not enough air
142 Secondary air pump Air without pump
143 Immobiliser function in ECU No or incorrect signal
144 No immobiliser signal recived Faulty unit or break in wiring
145 Incorrect immobiliser signal received Faulty unit or break in wiring

[Jack]

have you checked your coil pack for 12v+?
Yup, Lee checked both coils which buzzed through Ok, but we've since been told that even if the coil appears Ok it could still be shonky when it comes to chucking a signal out to the leads.


Any ecu fault codes coming up?
Er, we've not actually connected the eng warning light yet as we were running on minimal stuff just to get the engine running first.

Anyone happen to know what wire/pin number on an X30 ECU plug is for the engine warning light? My haynes is in Lee's barn and he doesn't do wiring diagrams lol

I also read on a saab forum how someone unplugged the crank sensor and put an LED on it to visually check it was sending a signal back to the ECU.... would that work?

[Sloth]

Yup, Lee checked both coils which buzzed through Ok, but we've since been told that even if the coil appears Ok it could still be shonky when it comes to chucking a signal out to the leads.

true, it will buzz test but it can be faulty.


Er, we've not actually connected the eng warning light yet as we were running on minimal stuff just to get the engine running first.
gerrit wired up....
Anyone happen to know what wire/pin number on an X30 ECU plug is for the engine warning light? My haynes is in Lee's barn and he doesn't do wiring diagrams lol
it depends what ecu you have, motronic or siemens. if its motronic, its the same as an xe. and should be the same colour, unless its on the saab loom...
I also read on a saab forum how someone unplugged the crank sensor and put an LED on it to visually check it was sending a signal back to the ECU.... would that work?
yes, because an led pulls no resistance, or at most 0.000001ohm.


id say the crank sensor has had a fit, they have the same issues as an xe, so if ya wire it like an xe it should run. but remember it depends on which make of ecu jack. ill go find my motronic v6 wiring diag..

[Lee]

Anyone happen to know what wire/pin number on an X30 ECU plug is for the engine warning light? My haynes is in Lee's barn and he doesn't do wiring diagrams lol

I also read on a saab forum how someone unplugged the crank sensor and put an LED on it to visually check it was sending a signal back to the ECU.... would that work?

Cheeky beggar lol. I know my way around the diagram now seeing as I ripped the loom to bits and buzzed through every fecking sensor, live and earth!

LED on crank sensor? Not heard of that but ill give it a go, bar that ill grab a sensor from the scrappies. ctually unplug the sensor and plug an LED into it? or just bridge the terminals whilst its plugged in?

Chris you cheeky turd lol. Timing is spot on, it turns over perfectly, and we HAVE had the odd burp from it where its tried to start and then stop again.

Question. will a dodgy crank sensor still allow the engine to fuel? as we are getting wet plugs.

Also, this loom was a fecking mess when we got it, there was no diagnosis plug on it, therefore im fecked if I know how Im going to do a paperclip test, but then maybe i need Jack to look at the wiring diagram lol

[ck]

if its crank sensor the fuel pump will no switch on while cranking the engine over. if it were me i'd quickly wire in a bulb into the fuel pump feed so you will have a tell tale for when the fuel pump switches on.

you can run an LED on an injector plug to see if the injectors are firing. if they are then the ecu is powered up and crank sensor working.

i'd guess at ignition amp or coil pack. i have a coil pack here u can have with the same plug (from vectra and 1 has coil failed 5 working) may help
in identifying the problem

[ck]

where the wiring comes out from the ecu loom to connect to the car loom what colour wires do you have? which wires do you know are correct?

[valvercorsa]

do these have a fuel pump relay like a valver???? id check power to the ecu also.

[Spudly]

If its not even got a diag plug then surely there could be cicuit/continuity issues with it, could you not source another loom if all else fails or was it a runner on this loom in the other car?


My best guess is still on the crank sensor though bud:thumb:

[John]

Jack, i'm not sure which loom you are using? c25xe, x25xe or x30 xe?

[Adam]

All the earths on the engine good?
As thats where the coilpack earths through.

And aye you could have 12v to the pack, but the pack could still be knackered. You dont usually find a totally dead pack though, usually only one coil fails. Did you check every plug for a spark???

[Lee]

Right, to answer some of the questions as some people must have missed some of the posts.

We have fuel
I have just changed the crank sensor
We have changed the coilpack
Changed the ecu
changed the cam sensor

Earths are all good. Switched live and perm live are all good. (to the point ive buzzed through all of the wires to the ecu plug, including all of the sensors)

It WAS running in the doner car, however the loom was all over the place so I tidied it up. As I said, i was very careful when I did this and every sensor and power connections are correct.

The one thing niggling me is the coilpack was bolted to the drivers side inner wing on the doner, so I relocated it back to its correct position on the pass side of the front bank and extended the wires to it.

COuld a change of style of wire cause a problem? Ive used the same guage but the wires are not the same consistency of wire (ie the original sensor wires are stiff, whereas the extention wires ive used are softer). Could this cause an issue?

If the cam sensor and crank sensor are out of sync (timing issue) would it stop sparking but continue to fuel? ALthough i doubt thats the issue, it turns over perfectly (you can hear its right when youve been doing it long enough)

The doner came to us without lambda sensors and didnt seem to effect how it ran so i cut the cables back (allowing for re install if it ended up needing them). ANything special I overlooked there? I know it should still fire without lambda, but im seriously starting to clutch at straws here! lol

Thanks for the help so far guys :)

[craig green]

When I couldnt get my C16 to fire up, oddly enough when I flashed the ECU light off it did then fire. Just use a bulb off the brown/Yellow wire & see what happens......

Any use dragging it up the road wth a rope & making it GO?

[Lee]

When I couldnt get my C16 to fire up, oddly enough when I flashed the ECU light off it did then fire. Just use a bulb off the brown/Yellow wire & see what happens......

Any use dragging it up the road wth a rope & making it GO?
Indeed, i plan to wire up the EML first job tomorrow so we'll see what happens. Trouble is, ive no idea what wires to bride to flash any codes off. If it ends up being that though, Jack is going to stick his strut brace up my ass for making him buy all these spare bits lol

Its cranking fine craig, I doubt a bump start will do it :(

[craig green]

My memory is poor when it comes to wire colours etc, but tbh I didnt understand the EML bit on mine, as the dash wire doesnt seem to be on the main plug on my GSi yet the old ECU used to operate the light properly yet any conversions I've done have about 3 extra wires for EML off the ECU loom. Pretty sure I chucked a test bulb on the wire mentioned, the bulb flashed with the ign & that time it started from then on. Like it just wanted to flash the bulb & then all was OK.

[Adam]

Brown/Yellow to earth to flash codes.
ECU light is brown/blue.

Get the ecu wire wired up, as it can really be helpful!!!

No lambda sensors shouldnt effect it running, and if your getting fuel then the ecu is "seeing" the crank sensor signal... So that should rule that out too.

[Lee]

Not really anything left to change that would stop it sparking though lol

[Adam]

You not getting a spark on any cylinder??

[Lee]

Bugger all sparkage.

[Adam]

Do these engines have an ignition module amp for the dispak (like on dispak XE's)

[Lee]

No, the dispack plugs directly into the ECU (well, the three signal wires do, the 4th plugs directly into the switchd live)

[John]

Lee, what was the donor car? was it immobilised?

[Lee]

Doner car was P Whacks matt black abortion lol Have to admit it crossed my mind but there was no evidence of an immobiliser.

[Adam]

Hmm, immobiliser sounds like a possible explanation.....
Did you remove the engine/loom yourself???

[Lee]

Yeah, but i basically had to strip it down, it was made into a loop, we couldnt remove the loom as one piece. It was properly messy.

Ill check the circuit diagram, but ive not come accross it yet?

[John]

All v6 looms should have run an immobiliser, apart from the early c25xe looms iirc. Can't you find out exactly what the loom/ecu came out of and see if it was immobilised? No part numbers?

Edit, what the engine lee? x25 or x30 xe?

[Lee]

Jack listed the engine number on the first page. It is a saab variant, but the engine loom is definately vaux (well it would be, saab wouldnt go to the bother of making their own). It basiacally matches what is in our haynes manual, which is for Omega 94 to 99

I cant find the immobiliser control unit on the circuit diagram,. I have its code, but it doesnt give me a track number

[John]

lee the omega did run an immobiliser, if i was you i'd either i'd fook it all off now, and run a c25xe loom and ecu.
If it's immobilised, your gonna have to find the matching key and pick up ring to that ecu.

[Lee]

I cant bypass the control unit then? IE ive now found the immobiliser control unit on the diagram, and im going to map back to the ecu plug and see how its switched on and off.

Ill also have to have a good look on the doner car, but im sure we never saw a ring or key anywhere, because we WERE looking for it when we striped it.

The car we got our second ecu out of IS still at the scrappers, so i might be able to nick its gubbins if im lucky.

[Lee]

According to this the immobiliser just switches pin 27 to switched live?

[Adam]

Cant see it being that simple tbh... maybe though.

If i were you id get the ecu lamp wired up,and see if its flashing when you turn the ignition on....

[John]

I'm with adam lee, wire in the eml light and if it's flashing like fook, there's your problem.

[Lee]

Me too, but thats what the circuit diagram is telling me, the ecu is only connected to the immobiliser unit by one wire via what I think is the ring, and all it does is goes through a box marked IMB and then goes straight to switched live!

[Lee]

Will do John, thank you both for your help :)

[John]

Me too, but thats what the circuit diagram is telling me, the ecu is only connected to the immobiliser unit by one wire via what I think is the ring, and all it does is goes through a box marked IMB and then goes straight to switched live!

try running a wire Lee and see what happens.

[John]

Lol me and ad will be claiming our free burgers at the nat day if this is the cause of the fault lol

[Adam]

Me too, but thats what the circuit diagram is telling me, the ecu is only connected to the immobiliser unit by one wire via what I think is the ring, and all it does is goes through a box marked IMB and then goes straight to switched live!
The immo unit does only connect to the ecu with a single wire, it usually shares the blue/red speed sensor/abs wire. Perhaps the unit does just switch that wire to 12v.... But i really cant see it being that simple, it wouldn't be much of an immobiliser system if you could bypass it like that.

[Lee]

That wire would be properly buried in the real world though, any wannabe thief would have to spend the morning de looming the fecking thing before he stole it lol

Seeing as Im sure there was no keyfob or ring on the loom, im hoping thats the solution :)

[Sloth]

after looking at the wiring diag here, id say your right it does just switch it. remember a clifford immob just connect/switch wires, its the fact that the wiring is all black. nothing more complex than that. i stake a burger on it tbh...
vids of it running aswell dudes!

[Lee]

Well, wired up the EML light, and it just sits there flashing like a basteward, so looks like it is definately immob problem.

Found the wire that goes from the immob unit to the ecu. pin number 9. Put it to ground and live, both times still no joy. That particular wire also goes to the non existant ABS module as well though.

Unless I can find out what pins do what immob wise on the ecu, im going to have to re loom it :(

[Sloth]

iirc ll the immob does its cuts the feed to certain bits. i dont get how it can run in the donor yet not in the coupe. very strange. ahhhh! is it that the old ecu was non immob? i.e a c25xe one?

[Lee]

We're using the same ecu that was in the doner

[Saloony]

So if its the immo problem, have you taken all the pick up and keys over from the doner car then... the pick up in/around ign barrel and the chip in the key?

[Lee]

The doner car was another nova Craig, and I swear to god there was no pick up or chip anywhere in the loom before I gave it a haircut.

Some wires must have been joined up. Which ones though? lol

[Jack]

Pretty sure there wasn't anything like that on the donor car (which, remember, was a Nova). We did have a good scout for bits like that, nothing of that sort appeared to be attached to the engine loom. Hrm.

[edit] See, Lee, I told you your internet was faster than mine lol

[John]

wire the eml light up!

[Ste L]

wire the eml light up!


he's done that already ;)



Well, wired up the EML light, and it just sits there flashing like a basteward, so looks like it is definately immob problem.

Found the wire that goes from the immob unit to the ecu. pin number 9. Put it to ground and live, both times still no joy. That particular wire also goes to the non existant ABS module as well though.

Unless I can find out what pins do what immob wise on the ecu, im going to have to re loom it :(

[Saloony]

So... go chor a loom from a pre- 94 cav V6 and do it all over again lol

[Lee]

Would a 2.5 loom and ecu fuel a 3.0 properly though??

Might have to pillage this loom from this omega at the scrappies. Not looking forward to that at all :(

[Saloony]

Would a 2.5 loom and ecu fuel a 3.0 properly though??

Might have to pillage this loom from this omega at the scrappies. Not looking forward to that at all :(

Does it matter... its only jack lol

[Sloth]

yes it does, its how the vectra lads do 3.0 and 3.2 conversions. the ecu senses the lean mix and adds emought fuel. simples.

[Saloony]

yes it does, its how the vectra lads do 3.0 and 3.2 conversions. the ecu senses the lean mix and adds emought fuel. simples.

The clue was the smilie you gimp.. it was a joke

Go get back under that bridge you troll

[Lee]

Broom :)

[Spudly]

:cool::cool::cool::cool::thumb::thumb:

[Southie]

Shovel :cool: what was it then?

[Lee]

Was immobiliser. Luck would have it, I didnt bin the ring and chip, found it on my bench. Popped to the scrappers to snip the relevant plug off an omega, reattached it to ours using wiring diagram and it started first time.

Runs so much better now its actually got all its sensors plugged in and it doesnt have mix and match spark pluggage lol

It will be finished tomorrow bar the zorst :)

[gaznovalet]

good to hear you got it sorted mate ive got exact same problem with mine just going to try wire up chip key and transponder to get it running rite now. have just finished my exaust the other day rear manifold was bit of pain making it clear steering rack wen al i had was a jack and had to lie under car and weld it up that way on my drive but its al good now.

[Sloth]

The clue was the smilie you gimp.. it was a joke

Go get back under that bridge you troll

and? a smilie means fook all to me. i was only being helpful, ffs.

[Saloony]

and? a smilie means fook all to me. i was only being helpful, ffs.

No you were being a picky cnut again.

[valvercorsa]

come on ladies

[Saloony]

come on ladies

Dont you start woman.. know your place lol

[Southie]

I want some V6 updates. When's the WIP/website up and running. This is taking far too long lol

[Lee]

Im sure jack will start a thread once we have the exhaust made.

Test drove it this evening. OMFG :) Torque steer half throttle FTMFW :)

[Spudly]

Cooooool lol


Had a text from jack saying youve created a monster, i demanded pictures or vids and he went quiet:cry:

[John]

Was immobiliser. Luck would have it, I didnt bin the ring and chip, found it on my bench. Popped to the scrappers to snip the relevant plug off an omega, reattached it to ours using wiring diagram and it started first time.

Runs so much better now its actually got all its sensors plugged in and it doesnt have mix and match spark pluggage lol

It will be finished tomorrow bar the zorst :)

Me and ad are owed burgerage!lol

[Lee]

Certainly are John :)

[P Whack]

have you fixed my old engine then? lol and believe me torque steer aint the worst of your problems lol take it you cut the immobiliser out then? lol

[Lee]

have you fixed my old engine then? lol and believe me torque steer aint the worst of your problems lol take it you cut the immobiliser out then? lol
Well you'll be surprised how well it runs when you wire up the ICV and put 6 spark plugs in it that are all the same, instead of 3 super 4's, two triple electrode ones and one single, and ensure that all the waterpipes arnt all pinched to the point where no water gets through! No wonder you were having overheating problems! Sits at 95 degrees happy as larry now. lol

Im not surprised the black one was a handful, the bushes were all shot and the front suspension had 200lb springs which had pretty much collapsed, but saying that it was only getting 3/4 throttle anyway! Jack's feels like its going to handle OK to me, its probably going to need some stiffer springs but that will be easy with the coilovers. Just wont be a good idea to give it a bootfull of beans in lower gears thats all lol

And yeah, I chopped out the immob like a fool, but re integrated it easy enough :)

[P Whack]

funny that mate never had a problem with it overheating i sold it to a mate then he sold it on they you bought it off him so god knows what it was like in the end, we'd only just got the engine in and hadnt changed anything else, got an rs turbo so couldnt be bothered lol so you found the immobiliser then? just a shame it wouldnt work around the ignition barrel lol

[Lee]

Yeah, the kiddy we bought it off said it had an overheating problem, and the bottom hose which has the metal T piece was properly squashed both ends. All that was needed was to chop the T piece down so the hoses were actually round! It was also running a 1.0 rad which was obviously compounding the problem even more! lol

Jacks loon has a separate immob anyway so its not a problem that you cant actually use the ecu one.

Oh, he also said that it only needed rear wheel bearings to pass an MOT. He obviously thought the fact that the front suspension was pretty much bottomed out and the front wheels moved an inch aft to stern wasnt a big issue lol

[P Whack]

hahaah yeah i know of the lad he thinks he is a mechanic lol so obviosuly doesnt know to much how come you re-shelled it?

[Lee]

Because we were V6ing the Loon of death, and seeing as this thing already had the mount and manifolds made up, it was cheaper and easier to buy that than get a crate engine and do it all ourselves.

IMHO, (no offence intended, as you say, its passed through a few owners since you, so god knows whats been played with), he would never have sold it as a useable car unless stevie wonder was in the market for one.

[P Whack]

How much did you pay for it? you got a work in progress thread for it/

[Lee]

Not my place to say as it was Jacks purchace. There will probably be a small thread put up when we finish it next weekend.

[P Whack]

well put it like this me and my mate put in for £500 including everything, granted we did weld the shatfs but we had everything to make proepr ones just never got round to it lol

[gaznovalet]

i have a nova gsi with c25xe in wich will be coming up for sale soon, all stripped out, coilovers, team dynamic pro race 1.2s , internal brake lines, safety devices 6 point cage, corbeau sprint seats, harneses, digi dash. also my old nova is coming up for sale its an x30xe v6 engine my mate mentiond selling it today, both cars located in durham about 2 mins apart.

[Lee]

Thats not far off to be fair. It saved me a lot of hassle, as mentioned the mount and manifolds but also the farting about with the inlet etc. Completely redid the loom though as there were a few sensors not connected, namely the ICV, plus we wanted to get the ECU in the car.

Throttle linkage was a bit pants though, you should be ashamed of yourself lol

[P Whack]

What you mean the linkage?? cant think of what you mean, mine was of an astra so was long enoguh and worked perfectly oh by the way you may want to sort the throttle body or get a little skimmed of the bottom fo the inlet so you can get full throttle lol gonan do myself another one at some point lol

[Lee]

You weren't getting full throttle because the linkage was set up completely wrong, cos it was jamming on the ICV pipe lol. I had to make my own from random bits. Butterflys open fully now :)

[P Whack]

Thats because i still have the modified linkage sat in my garage lol