View Full Version : just bought a engine x16xel???
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 09:31 PM
hi. ive been looking for a 2.5 for ages and my mate has had this in his garage for 2weeks now so bought it, because im sick of all v6 lumps been miles away :(
its come out of a sport so thought it was a x16xe, its had a bottom end rebuilt and head rebuilt less than 6 months ago so for the peanuts ive paid for it should be abit of fun. but when i have cleaned it up today ive noticed its a x16xel :eek: which from what i can find out is a zafira/astra/vectra engine is this correct???? it says that the L stands for low power/superchaged???
also just wanting some tuning info on these little XE lumps
Southie
10-04-09, 09:35 PM
Basically a 1.6 16 valve the same as x16xe with a more sturdy head. Sloth prefers these to the c16 iirc. Tuning wise depends on cash really. What you thinking???
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 09:44 PM
making an inlet tube, 4-1 manifold then ive got my xe stainless, would like to put it on bodies or bike carbs but going to need a mappable manangment
What's the difference between an C16XE and an X16XE and which is a better engine? Or is that a whole thread of it's own?
General Baxter
10-04-09, 10:10 PM
iv got x16xe bottom end, c16xe top end, DTA management, set of crappy cams, powerbox,
cant beat it :)
the head on the c16xe flows better, but its got a crappy AFM which will **** up
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:13 PM
ive read on a search that the later head is better as its got bigger ports???
General Baxter
10-04-09, 10:14 PM
c16 makes 107bhp
x16 makes 104bhp
x16l makes somewhere around 95bhp
iirc
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:15 PM
The very latest head casting (number: 90400187) uses triangular inlet ports, which work a lot better, gaining up to 12bp
Southie
10-04-09, 10:17 PM
C16xe = corsa Gsi, no immobilsers and easier fitting (says me lol)
X16xe = corsa sport, immobilser/transponder key (needed to run) with extra bits ie egr..
X16xel = astra, same as above really just newer.
General Baxter
10-04-09, 10:20 PM
iirc the xel has a longer inlet manifold which is a right of squeeze into the bay
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:20 PM
ive seen somewhere that the EGR can be removed ?
napalm_27
10-04-09, 10:21 PM
not removed more like stick a metal plate in it and leave it plugged in
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:23 PM
not removed more like stick a metal plate in it and leave it plugged in
lol
General Baxter
10-04-09, 10:24 PM
xel
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f156/KJEM/GK_bay.jpg
x16
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3244/x16xett4.jpg
c16
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5990/c16xete9.jpg
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:38 PM
mine is a x16xel with x16xe inlet lol
Wow didnt know there were so many different 1.6 16v engines, have some +Rep for being really informative lol
napalm_27
10-04-09, 10:40 PM
you may get away with it then mate lol
go get a power box inlet for it
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 10:49 PM
going to get one :) and a 4-1 exhaust manifold :) then see how much bhp that gives me then maybe a set of cam's
Southie
10-04-09, 10:51 PM
mine is a x16xel with x16xe inlet lol
A note of advice BEWARE. I'm not going to say it won't work but I hope you don't have the same hassle and tears I've had trying to combine two variations. Mine was however a c16 engine and I was trying to fit x16 management, loom, inlet and throttle body but it did't work.
Sensors to the throttlebody major issue.
General Baxter
10-04-09, 10:52 PM
dont fit a 4-1 unless its mega modded, stick with the std manifold and downpipe
Southie
10-04-09, 10:59 PM
Did you get they transponder key and ignition wiring with the xel. If not then better start looking if running injection.
Also Baxter you could have put up a forth picture which is yours (Inbread c/x16xe lol and update that kill list.
General Baxter
10-04-09, 11:01 PM
Also Baxter you could have put up a forth picture which is yours (Inbread c/x16xe lol and update that kill list.
best photo i have at the mo, with out it looking all crappy lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/Picture021.jpg
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 11:02 PM
ok ur the small block GOD :) i just want 150bhp lol
You aint killed it have you nick?
valvercorsa
10-04-09, 11:03 PM
Did you get they transponder key and ignition wiring with the xel. If not then better start looking if running injection.
Also Baxter you could have put up a forth picture which is yours (Inbread c/x16xe lol and update that kill list.
yeah mate got the lot :thumb:
General Baxter
10-04-09, 11:05 PM
ok ur the small block GOD :) i just want 150bhp lol
no im not lol
Southie
10-04-09, 11:15 PM
no im not lol
lol
hi. ive been looking for a 2.5 for ages and my mate has had this in his garage for 2weeks now so bought it, because im sick of all v6 lumps been miles away :(
its come out of a sport so thought it was a x16xe, its had a bottom end rebuilt and head rebuilt less than 6 months ago so for the peanuts ive paid for it should be abit of fun. but when i have cleaned it up today ive noticed its a x16xel :eek: which from what i can find out is a zafira/astra/vectra engine is this correct???? it says that the L stands for low power/superchaged???
also just wanting some tuning info on these little XE lumpsi know where theres a complete v6 and im not a million miles away and there are also tons of x16xel's there for £50 a pop aswell,
iv got x16xe bottom end, c16xe top end, DTA management, set of crappy cams, powerbox,
cant beat it :)
the head on the c16xe flows better, but its got a crappy AFM which will **** upactually sbd say the xel head is the best design
c16 makes 107bhp
x16 makes 104bhp
x16l makes somewhere around 95bhp
iirc
in standard form yes but thats due to the **** inlet manifold design.
valvercorsa
11-04-09, 10:11 AM
well this is her sat in :) its a faster project than the v6 lol
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/valvercorsa/DSC00650.jpg
valvercorsa
11-04-09, 10:18 AM
i know where theres a complete v6 and im not a million miles away and there are also tons of x16xel's there for £50 a pop aswell,
just paid £100 for this so dont think done too bad as its got £1k worth of reciepts with it, head work, bottom end rebuild and got black diamond clutch in too.
your 11o miles away mate lol wouldnt mind traveling that far for something small but an engine lol thinnk ill stick with the little 1.6 for now until i can get a nice 3.0 lump
You got the best engine imo. the x16xel has the best flow head for tunning! I would do the normal things you would do with a x16/c16 and have good manifold. Will see good power from it :thumb:
valvercorsa
11-04-09, 11:24 AM
im new to the small block 16v gang lol so all advice welcome:)
valvercorsa
11-04-09, 12:54 PM
DONT GO BIG BLOCK lol :p
lol not for now going to see want these little engines go like :D
had the 20xe so going to try its little brother :thumb:
Just fit a powerbox. Im looking into getting a few made up for cheap. Dont have to loook preety lol
valvercorsa
11-04-09, 12:59 PM
i no am going to see kid who was going to make my space frame :) make a powerbox and manifold :~)
Unless you want to bugger about with it id just fit a powerbox, maybe some half decent cams and a 4-2-1 exhaust, 4-1 wiill (IIRC) put more power up top, and theres already a lack of power further down the rev range.
My 1.4 is going alright now..... apart from a oil leak. And there preety much the same engines, just lacking a few bhp, but cheaper to run :D
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