View Full Version : Everyone needs to read this!!! But not really
a bit of a late night surf turned up this jem. i dont care if its a repost, so dont comment if it is, just read the thread, and get looking boys and girls....
http://passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62326
btw, i think ive found my first one aswell.......
happy hunting,
Sloth:thumb:
gtachorley
17-02-09, 03:31 AM
Surely if the car had been left for four years not a sniff of it starting for a thieve, unless he jumped it
i thought the same, but the twokers here have ht leads and batterys...
Novaboi_1991
17-02-09, 03:38 AM
Omg...
Gashgusher
17-02-09, 04:32 AM
****, cant beleive that stuff really works. is it really true or you reckon he just pissed and stuck it in the front garden. too much of a coincidence for my liking
So... yeah. He stole someone's car, then blabbed all about it on a public forum? Name on the V5 isn't proof of ownership.
What if the owner has gone abroad for a few years, comes home then realises their pride and joy has gone?
garethcolley
17-02-09, 08:43 AM
So... yeah. He stole someone's car, then blabbed all about it on a public forum? Name on the V5 isn't proof of ownership.
What if the owner has gone abroad for a few years, comes home then realises their pride and joy has gone?
He isnt going to be very happy when he returns but he wont know where to find it?
Pistol Pete
17-02-09, 08:45 AM
Hmmm. Seems abit fishy to me. Oh and yeah a very interesting read....back in 2005!!! lol
He isnt going to be very happy when he returns but he wont know where to find it?
He'll call the police, "halpf my car stolen". Police check details. Hmm V5 in someone else's name. Pay a visit to this guy. Oh thanks, we'll take this car back now.
The person who owned it has had a "Dude where's my car moment"!lol
He forgot to get it back, then the DVLA and police should of informed the owner before giving it away to a total stranger who never paid for it in the first place!
Where the hell were all the tax disc reminders and fines going, surely they would of gone unpaid if it wasnt sorn'd! :wtf::confused:
Wait a minute, Ive just seen a nice Ferrari parked down the street, the DVLA will be getting a phone call in the next 2 mins!lollollollol
He forgot to get it back, then the DVLA and police should of informed the owner before giving it away to a total stranger who never paid for it in the first place!
Where the hell were all the tax disc reminders and fines going, surely they would of gone unpaid if it wasnt sorn'd! :wtf::confused:
Well according to that thread, if the DVLA hear nowt from the owner, they'll let the guy apply for a new V5. Consider how crap the DVLA are at communications... hm.
Its possible a relative or someone could have been sorning the car on a regular basis for the owner (and just assumed a letter asking for confirmation of ownership was junk mail, or didn't reply to it), OR he was sorning it online from another country. And the last valid tax disc was just left in the windscreen.
If the car really was untaxed/unsorned, I can't imagine the DVLA/police leaving it alone. Any excuse to get their crusher warmed up lol
im kinda torn about this, yeh it could be classed as stolen. but if the dvla and police were both informed about it, i.e him contacting them for the right reasons, and the owner leaving it on public highway with no tax. he is lucky the police or dvla didnt tow it away in the first place.
at least the bloke has gone thorugh the right steps and aquired it. if the owner comes back in 1,2,3 years and asks for it back, then that guy has to deal with it, but if it was me i would be going court etc to keep possesion of it because it had been done through the right steps.
other then that it does seem a bit fishy. lol
I've heard of someone pocketing a good xe cav sri that had been dumped in the street (cheaper to let someone have it, than arrange for a salvager to collect it), But never actually something like this!
dj_wudgey
17-02-09, 10:32 AM
so as said before hes just basicly just stolen some ones pride and joy!!! what people will go to in this day and age and then he has the cheek to complain when another theif takes it!!!
So... yeah. He stole someone's car, then blabbed all about it on a public forum? Name on the V5 isn't proof of ownership.
What if the owner has gone abroad for a few years, comes home then realises their pride and joy has gone?
Legally he is all above board. ****ty loophole that has been exploited and nothing more IMO. I've read/heard about people acquiring a few cool motors in this way. I may be about to buy a Type 2 VW bus that's in some guys garden, he aint the registered keeper but you can bet your life that when I apply for V5 ownership I will consider it mine.
been done loads of times before. old news imo
If V5 isnt proof of ownership, what is? A reciept for buying the car? i dont think so.
End of the day, if you own an escoss, you dump it on the side of the road for 4 years and ignore the DVLA when they send you letters saying someone is trying to gain ownership of the car, you deserve everything you get.
As for the SORN's, iirc, they were only just getting off the ground 4 years ago so this car could have easily been missed by the system and could easily have sat there for 4 years without the DVLA knowing about is, so long as no one reported it.
I rekon the real owner is a murderer and is doing a stretch. And when he comes out, and finds his escoss gone, he gonna be mad lol
lol in that case i would be buying private plates
Legally he is all above board. ****ty loophole that has been exploited and nothing more IMO. I've read/heard about people acquiring a few cool motors in this way. I may be about to buy a Type 2 VW bus that's in some guys garden, he aint the registered keeper but you can bet your life that when I apply for V5 ownership I will consider it mine.
Limp, you're well into fail mode today lol
the registration certificate is not a document of title, the person recorded may not be the legal owner
So all you're doing is getting the V5 of that vehicle with your name on it. Doesn't mean you legally own the car and have the right to move it etc.
If you are buying a vehicle privately and it is later identified as having been stolen you may have no right to its ownership.
Someone reports the car stolen, police investigate and find out you basically claimed it as your own rather that purchased it. They'd probably crush it for a laugh lol
If the last recorded owner on the logbook reports it stolen that guy will get done for TWOC or theft by finding.Logbooks mean nothing as regards of ownership.A v5 has the registered keeper not the legal owner.A receipt of purchase is needed to prove you are a legal owner afaik
*EDIT* If he got done for either of them offences,would that mean the DVLA being done for aiding and abetting? lol
If V5 isnt proof of ownership, what is? A reciept for buying the car? i dont think so.
End of the day, if you own an escoss, you dump it on the side of the road for 4 years and ignore the DVLA when they send you letters saying someone is trying to gain ownership of the car, you deserve everything you get.
As for the SORN's, iirc, they were only just getting off the ground 4 years ago so this car could have easily been missed by the system and could easily have sat there for 4 years without the DVLA knowing about is, so long as no one reported it.
I rekon the real owner is a murderer and is doing a stretch. And when he comes out, and finds his escoss gone, he gonna be mad lol
tbh the DVLA STILL dont know thei ass from their elbow WRT taxed/sorned/undeclared cars.... I wrote to the scrapped address informing them that I had forgotten to send of the forms blah blah and they went "oh that means you get an untaxed fine".... erm so your bullsheet adverts on TV knowing about all untaxed cars on a DB is a load of old toss then!!!! cnuts
haha thats mental sloth dont you be trying that you will do it wrong and get sent down lol.
Not sure on this one, an Escort Cosworth isnt something you would just leave and forget about is it, there must have been some reason for it being parked there. If it got stolen just when he got it after sitting so long i can see a fair few problems behind taking it ie the fuel, the brakes being seized etc etc
If the last recorded owner on the logbook reports it stolen that guy will get done for TWOC or theft by finding.Logbooks mean nothing as regards of ownership.A v5 has the registered keeper not the legal owner.A receipt of purchase is needed to prove you are a legal owner afaik
*EDIT* If he got done for either of them offences,would that mean the DVLA being done for aiding and abetting?
Im sorry, but a reciept means fook all as well. You could have bought the car on Tuesday, got a reciept, and sold it on Wednesday. Just because your holding tuesdays reciept doesnt mean you own the car, and if the man who bought it on Wednesday loses his, or didn't get one at all (which happens all the time i might add), then the first man can have it back? I dont think so.
I dont care what the DVLA says on its website to cover its own ass, a V5 is as close to legal ownership as you can get paperwork wise IMO.
TBH if the V5 is not proof of ownership what the hell is?
TBH if the V5 is not proof of ownership what the hell is?
Exactly :)
loggyboy
17-02-09, 02:12 PM
V5 is registered KEEPER, not owner!!
So technically nobody OWNS a car they just keep them :tard:
dj_wudgey
17-02-09, 02:21 PM
basicly its steeling i think!! there could be reasons for it to be stood there i hope some one finds who has it and breaks his theiving legs it did make me laugh though how he complained how some other lads nicked all they did was basicly do what he did in my opinion!!
loggyboy
17-02-09, 02:35 PM
Its more like salvage rights...
The owner of a car is whoever can prove ownership beyond reasonable doubt.
If it went to a court of law then the orginal owner would have to come up with a pretty good reason for leaving a car unattended for 3 years and not replying to letters from an offical goverment office.
famous saying - Possesion is 9/10ths of the law.
If I went on a tour of Afghanistan for 18 months, leaving my mum to renew my SORN declaration at the 12 month point, I'd be pretty annoyed to come home and find some little scrote has applied for a V5 and then just walked off with my car.
Anyone who buys a car without a receipt is a muppet.
To be honest, I doubt it would go in his favour if the previous owner contested it. DVLA would (should) have a record that the guy applied for a new V5 himself, rather than send off the new keeper supplement which wouldn't look good.
right, after a lenghty chat with the dvlaa this morning regarding a certain car parked 3 streets away, and some other issues, i have been told that as soon as a new car is registered, its OWNER is the dvla. you are its KEEPER. a bit like en loco parentis. your basically looking after the vehicle for them. the only way around it is to not register your car, which makes it useless. apparently, if the original owner realises and tries to track it down, the dvla will not give out the current owners info to them, so basically your home free. the kid at the end of that thread with the s2000, still has that car, and his missus drives it everyday. the cossie is now on private plates and has been magazine featured. the simple truth is, the dvla is on your side if your claiming something, but if your not, be very carefulll.....
V5 is registered KEEPER, not owner!!
Im not contesting that.
What im contesting is, what prooves you own a car more than a V5 document, because as i said, a reciept can be made up in 5 mins on a computer!
As in, if two guys went to court contesting a car was theirs, and one of them had the V5 in their name, the other had a grubby reciept saying they paid for the car 5 years ago, who would win??
Im pretty confident Mr V5 would!
Jack, your car is regularly taxed, and if it wasnt, it would be regularly sorned so no one would have a reasonable claim on your car. The point of this is that car hadn't been taxed or sorned for nigh on 3 years, and when the DVLA contaced the registered keeper, there was no response. The car was (allegedly) on the public highway which makes the case for me. if it was on a drive, it would be theft, but it wasnt, it was on the road..
As I said in my first post, the owner got what he deserved if he still wants the car. If i abandoned a cossy on the side of the road for 3 years, id expect it to have been stolen anyway, let alone have someone legitimately make a claim on it.
as my post above says, the dvla own your car, the minuite you register it.
The best legal loop hole since loop holes were invented!!
Im off to get some new cars :D
thats the spirit matey! lol
loggyboy
17-02-09, 04:26 PM
The best legal loop hole since loop holes were invented!!
Im off to get some new cars :D
Do you know of may cars that have been abandoned for more than a year or 2, are on a road/public property and are worth the hassle?
I doubt it.
Its no gonna be a very common thing!
Do you know of may cars that have been abandoned for more than a year or 2, are on a road/public property and are worth the hassle?
I doubt it.
Its no gonna be a very common thing!
I know of 2. Neither prolly worth the hassle, but its money for old rope when there sold on.
i dunno mate, the amount of cars on the road and the amount of ones registered differs by millions...
well if dvla own my vehicles then thay can bloody maintain tham. ****s and there stupid loopholes AR*Eholes more like.
loggyboy
17-02-09, 04:39 PM
Also a 3rd point is that, when contacted, the current keeper needs to not care.
Also a 3rd point is that, when contacted, the current keeper needs to not care.
Its only the same as playing the lottery though. Spending a little to "possibly" gain a lot. Always worth a try in this day & age.......
Now.......what was Krobinsons Nova's reg lol lol lol
ell_worrell
17-02-09, 05:08 PM
cant believe this thread. wish there were abandoned cossies around my area!
CoolTiger
17-02-09, 06:27 PM
got a aston martin db5 on sombodys drive near mine hasnt been moved in decaides wonder if i could claim that :)
no, cos its on private property tigger. needs to be on public property or the highway. have fun, and remember to post up what ya find!
Gashgusher
17-02-09, 06:44 PM
found this on legalbanter.co.uk:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.legal/browse_frm/thread/7d4d4eefe8e3bffa?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dabandoned%2520car%26safe%3Dimages% 26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Duk.legal%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Db%26a s_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D2003%26as_ma xd%3D16%26as_maxm%3D8%26as_maxy%3D2003%26hl%3Den
As stated previously this is a ridiculous loophole but there is a certain amount of truth to it as a kid i know bagged himself a white cav GSi that had been parked on a main road local to me, it wasnt moved in weeks and ended up with a claim/removal letter slapped on the screen by the local council, he rang the number quoted the ref and was made to pay a couple of weeks parking tickets and the car was his or something along those lines.
He only got it to strip for parts just in case there were any ownership issues with it, turns out it was stolen from scotland and driven all the way down the country doing drive offs from petrol stations all the way the just abandonned when it got a puncture!
Ah the old 7 day notices lol
We used to take those on the 7th day and weigh them in lol
Ah the old 7 day notices lol
We used to take those on the 7th day and weigh them in lol
Eeyaarrr sheel, gorra nuvva one for ya:thumb:
Eeyaarrr sheel, gorra nuvva one for ya:thumb:
LMFAO lol lol lol Well she didnt ask for logbooks so meh
LOL at towing them in with blown through windscreens and seatbelt as tow rope
RoflpikeydweighedincarsFTWcopter lol
omg i just wee'd over that its so true! gotta love shiela's!
Hahaha, must be a hull thing as everyone seems to have been to sheilas, "ave ya gorrowt sheel" lol
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