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General Lee
11-02-09, 10:59 AM
Hi,
Does anybody know how well a small block nova saloon handles compared to it's hatchback counterpart. With all suspension setup, anti roll bars, strut braces and low profile tyres. Please any info would be appreciated.
Nath :thumb:
i remember a big discussion bout this, iirc the general thought was that because of the boot and its extra bit of weight, it handles better as the **** dont skip about. having had both saloons and hatches, i can safely say my 4dr handled better than my 3dr.
Saloons weigh ITRO 5kg more than their hatchback counterparts (like for like), so difference in handling due to weight is minimal. However, all but 1.0s come with rear ARBs as standard so that may account for improved handling.
Theoretically they have better aerodynamics too :D
Theoretically this has better aerodynamics than both the saloon and hatchback models
http://www.promosxchange.com.au/images/LL070s.jpg
matt_vaughan
11-02-09, 12:00 PM
Theoretically this has better aerodynamics than both the saloon and hatchback models
http://www.promosxchange.com.au/images/LL070s.jpg
Theoretically...............he's right.
I actually found a splitter on my bumper made a bit of difference at higher speed, stopped the front end squirming as much.
Nova_Tek
11-02-09, 12:01 PM
Theoretically they have better aerodynamics too :D
You sure about that? Maybe you'd care to elaborate you theory :)
IIRC the hatch's had better aerodynamics from factory normally by 0.01 cd.
Wıth the addition of things like the snowplough and the rear wrap around boot spoiler on the SR's that gave slight more improvement to the aerodynamics. I'd assume that this was probably improved slightly more with the GSi kit and the bootlid spoiler.
Obviously not including aftermarket bits but still the basis was better albeit minimal. What you can add to the front of a loon Nova you can add to a hatch aswell.
so nerrr :p
:thumb:
General Lee
11-02-09, 12:02 PM
how much do they weigh over all jack? yeah mine came with front and rear arb as standard.
LMFAO @ ben lol
Dar's rear undertray made a difference to his track car I believe
Well ive got both and i find the saloon handles much better then the hatch tbh. But then the hatch is just lowerd 60mm and the saloon is lowerd 90 front 70 rear on coilovers. so if that makes a diffrence :confused:
Nova_Tek
11-02-09, 12:11 PM
its only a fair comparison when both cars run the same items then it would be a fair test. Doesnt anyone remember GCSE science lessons?
bloody hell i cant even remember going school let alone a science lesson
its only a fair comparison when both cars run the same items then it would be a fair test. Doesnt anyone remember GCSE science lessons?
No wasnt allowed in science lessons after throwing desk at my teacher!
No wasnt allowed in science lessons after throwing desk at my teacher!
lol + rep
Just remind us what you do for a job, Ben? lol
Just remind us what you do for a job, Ben? lol
lmfao you dont know how many times i sit there during my exams now muttering why was i such a prick at school!
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 12:24 PM
However, all but 1.0s come with rear ARBs as standard
They also lacked front ARBs:thumb:
I also think the rear bulkhead in the saloon offers a slightly stiffer body. Going back to my Impreza days, limited editions like the RB5 and P1 had a solid rear bulhead to improve rigidity.
yup/\. on another note, i took the plastic trim under my boot off mine and the back end got very light at speed, could this be to do with it?
ben, my science lesson consisted of me and 3 others blowing stuff up and trying to set the teachers wig on fire...
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 12:35 PM
on another note, i took the plastic trim under my boot off mine and the back end got very light at speed, could this be to do with it?
I would say so, without the deflector thing, it's just like a parachute under there.
I liked Science,we used to make fire and bongs......
I liked Science,we used to make fire and bongs......
from testubes? so did we. good times. shaun i guess so kinda like the early audi tt's....hmm so if ya fit the loon trim thing to a hatch would it help?
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 12:42 PM
shaun i guess so kinda like the early audi tt's....hmm so if ya fit the loon trim thing to a hatch would it help?
Wont fit a hatch, spare wheel well is in the way.
my xe nova loon was fooking aweful on B roads, and corners roundabout anything other than a straight line. was fun controling it mind, it just wanted to go straight at all times.
Its fine with decent suspension on :p
Sloth, the diffuser is fitted because otherwise air gets trapped afront of the rear bumper, hence why it feels light. Due to the different design of the hatch, and as Shaun said the location of the wheel well, this isn't as much of a problem on them.
Hmm could you use the diffuser from the saloon on a hatch if the wheel well wasnt there :confused:
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 02:24 PM
Exhaust would also get in the way.
Im having a side exit ;), im thinking about my project
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 02:26 PM
Hmm could I use the diffuser from the saloon on a hatch if the wheel well wasnt there :confused:(bearing in mind I have a side exit egg sauce)
I don't see why not.
**edited for you matey**
The Simps
11-02-09, 02:28 PM
whats this diffuser you speak off? don't recall having one on mine!
lol ok cheers might try and get hold of one
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 02:31 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/Shaun_ODonnell/STA60094-3.jpg
Top left of pic.
Bigs, no. If you've chopped the wheel well out, maybe but tbh you'd be better off making one
Yep. He may even be so kind as you show you his and give you some dimensions if you ask nicely. Or give him a new fishing rod for the garden pond lol
The Simps
11-02-09, 02:47 PM
never knew about that plastic bit. Hmmmm....
I dont think he needs a new one his looks ok to me , but he needs a shave
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff314/b17ova/gnomefishing-1.jpg
But yea ill ask him when im closer to needing it. see if he will copy it and ill give him some £s
ive not read any of this as i dont need to. saloons rule end of
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 03:36 PM
ive not read any of this as i dont need to. saloons rule end of
The man speaks the truth. end of:thumb:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff314/b17ova/funny%20pics/wcg88qz.jpg
:D
The Simps
11-02-09, 04:04 PM
its an interesting debate.
i plan to convert mine to rwd (front mount) and I think the saloon is better proportioned for that. Its almost the same dimensions as a mk2 escort.
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 04:07 PM
Its almost the same dimensions as a mk2 escort.
I'm sure RJ has looked into this.
General Lee
11-02-09, 04:40 PM
does anyone know the total weight of a saloon.
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 04:41 PM
Haynes or owners manual anyone?
General Lee
11-02-09, 04:43 PM
or a total vauxhall
Shaun_O'Donnell
11-02-09, 04:44 PM
or a total vauxhall
You'll not find it in there.
General Lee
11-02-09, 04:47 PM
i thought they had weight specs in the back along with 0-60 times and modles i know it's 5 kg heavier than a hatch from razorjack.
SALOON 740 KG
HATCH 735 KG
SR 770 KG
GTE 834 KG
SALOON LENGHT 3955 MM
HATCH LENGHT 3622 MM
SALOON WIDTH 1540 MM
HATCH WIDTH 1532 MM
SALOON HIGHT 1360 MM
HATCH HIGHT 1365 MM
Rep < that way lol
General Lee
11-02-09, 04:52 PM
bonzalishous, didn't know that it was lighter than a gte or an sr
Thats why the saloon is the best nova made !
The Simps
11-02-09, 05:02 PM
wider and lower out the box too ;)
as per burgo, go saloon or go home.......
(hmmm i may have to unveil project unknown soon....)
I think someone should start doing f/g boots for saloons! We can now get polycarbs for them
bigs, any ideas who'd do one? i need one and some 4dr f/g rear doors...
Hmm it would be a few places. but they would say they need atleast 10 buyers to make it worth it. unless you paid £600 for a mould then what ever they want for the boot ontop of that
bonzalishous, didn't know that it was lighter than a gte or an sr
Of course it will be. Lighter bumpers, no spoiler, no GTE/SR trim.
I think someone should start doing f/g boots for saloons! We can now get polycarbs for them
Carbon fibre would be better :D The boot lid doesn't need as much reinforcing as the bonnet so you could probably make your 5kg weight saving there.
hmm. my dads good with glassfibre. any one be up for one?
thanks. did i tell you your gay?
Nova_Tek
12-02-09, 02:28 PM
wider, lower and uglier out the box too ;)
Editied to add more factual information :p ^^ Now I agree with that ^^
Editied to add more factual information :p ^^ Now I agree with that ^^
Now thats away of getting bad rep if ive seen any lol
Nova_Tek
12-02-09, 03:05 PM
Yeah but I'm not lying am I?
Yeah but I'm not lying am I?
No not lying because your disluded (sp) :D
The Simps
12-02-09, 06:40 PM
How do you give bad rep?
click the little scales symbol under the rep blobs. then click disaprove:thumb:
The Simps
12-02-09, 08:24 PM
click the little scales symbol under the rep blobs. then click disaprove:thumb:
I don't get the disaprove bit. Mine alreay has the approve box and room for a comment.
yes just select disaprove instead
The Simps
12-02-09, 08:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/untitled-5.jpg
why would you want to give me neg rep :(
The Simps
12-02-09, 08:34 PM
u was just a test case ;)
why don't i have an option?
wheres mr jack when you need him
mines the same i can only give + rep.
Hmm, both registered for a long time with moderate post counts and decent rep level. I shall investigate...
Just read the above 2 answers. I can only deal out the +ve too.
Otherwise I'd nAg you Jack for being such a sh1t mod in this instance lol
Admin control rep, not mods so nyah :p
anyway, huff, i give you lots of good rep and this is how you repay me :(
No idea what you mean sir. Admin/Mods it's all the same to me. I did find it very funny indeed that they call themselves 'officers' on IMOC in some instances! lol WTF. I was only on there to read 3S's arsey reply to my mates query over why his 90 quid HT leads don't fit the dizzy cap.
He's a cheeky so and so!
(would give you more pos my good friend but the internet says I can't)
imoc? i munch on cocck owners club?
whitenovasaloon
12-02-09, 09:51 PM
i just finished building my nova saloon with 1.4 8v, bilstein b6's and springs, it has no antiroll bar and could do with one really, but the handling is great, polybushes also transformed the handling, quick rack is next, it really needs one. at the moment it feels quite difficult to catch slides in time. apart from that really pleased with it. doing my first road rally in it on sunday, so will report back after that:)
i can give both positive and negative. only thing i can think it is is that you three aint members
The Simps
13-02-09, 10:11 AM
I have a massive member - does that count?
chuckle chuckle chuckle
I have a massive member - does that count?
chuckle chuckle chuckle :wtf: no!!
I reckon its a member thing. Asked Annie to try it as she's a club member with low post count and small rep score - she can give both positive and negative. As to whether or not it actually counts towards someone's score is debatable mind, but at least she has both options.
So, question is, are there any forum members (i.e. not club members) who can give negative rep..?
woohoo i was right. dont know why im do suprised, im always right
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