What's your opinion on GTE Vs GSI

[RobHardyUK]

I currently have a 1.2 Nova, I have been driving a few months. It is in the 1.2 gallery section. I however need more power, and am thinking of a GSI or GTE. Are they quick? What is the main difference in performance between the two? i.e handling and speed? Will it pull alot quicker than my 1.2?

[dan16v]

yes will be alot better than the 1.2 id go for the gsi, gte is a wee bit dated and showing its signs of age plus gsi has potential to run more power std as they both run 100bhp but the gsi has a cat which is slightly restricting its bhp. i personaly would buy a mk 1 nova now unless it was a total minter hard to find tho!

[Nova-Flair]

both the GTE and GSI have their good and bad points.

in my opinion the GTE has a more aggessive look but the mk1 interior lets it down a lot.

the GSI however has a smoother, more modern look and the much improved mk2 interior.

performance is the same as standard but as dan 16v says the cat restricts the GSI slightly.

my ideal would probably be a GTE with a GSI interior but if i were you i would opt for the newer GSI because you are more likely to find a minter. but you also have to take into consideration that while the power leap is great so is the increase in insurance premium.

[RobHardyUK]

Yeh, i knwo what you mean bout the interior in the mk1! i hate it. mk2 does look better. hmmmmm difficile,i dunno wot to do! H.e.l.p

[Anton]

why not just stick a bigger engine in? Thats what I am doing in Jan (Anton's 1.2 in features)

[RobHardyUK]

Costs a bomb? for a good engine. I went to PVD, and the bits to fit it, i.e motorsport driveshafts, mounts etc costs 490, the engine costs anything from ?200 up to ?1,500 for a good one, and then you got fitting..... so im thinkin buy a new car? where was u gonna get urs done? what engine u getting put in?

[Anton]

1.4 sr engine and box eventually with twin carbs, cam kit skimmed head etc. I'm just starting off with a basic 1.4 then slowly building it up till its as power full as a standard gsi.

Plus 1.4 drops str8 in.

[dan16v]

drive shafts, mounts etc? why? you dont need these for a 1.6 conversion. my old sr had a gte lump in which my m8 at heartwells fitted in roughly 3weekends on and off, the engine goes straight in and is slightly faster due to the 1.2 shell using slightly 2mm thinner i think metal in the bay. the hardest part for you would probably be the wiring loom as the 1.2 is carb and you need to run wires for ecu and tec plug etc. the easiest way weve found is to swap the entire loom it doesnt take long at all and you know all the wires are in the right place if you label then first! i think my sr was converted for ?240 inc engine, box, loom, fuel tank and all needed to make it run so its cheap as chips if you know what your doing :wink:

[RobHardyUK]

I need driveshafts because i was looking at a 2.0 16v Ecotec. Look on this link:

http://www.pvdnet.co.uk/conversion/nova.asp

On here are all the details?

Does a GTE/GSI handle alot better than the 1.2? What is better tween the GSI and GTE? or are they about the same?

[mikeoxford]

think youll find mate that conversion kit ?400 whatever, includes everything required except maybe a strengethening kit - ring em c wot it includes, or order an FOC pvd catalogue! its all listed in there.

if i find mine ill post up the contents.

as for differences between gte gsi regards handling etc i would have thought them pair were the same, whereas compared to you 1.2 for instance, gte/gsi has firmer springs than 1.2

extra role bar, one front, one back.

slightly thicker metal on the later gsis so less chassis flex

apart from that :? i duno ne more mate im sorry

[RobHardyUK]

Cool cheers mate. I dont think it does include a engine, but ill check anyways. I'm just comparing to the list below? Anyone got any ideas on where to buy a K&N bolt on induction kit? are they worth it?

[Phil GTE]

GTE with Mk 2 Dash

Thats what I have done. cant be beat

[dan16v]

if your doing 16v m8 you want a c20xe not ecocrap, ecotecs are realy restricted and down 20bhp on a c20xe :wink:

[Will]

Just out of interest how old are you m8? and have you tried getting an insurance quote just to see wot kinda money u gona have to put aside as well as buying the thing.

Engine conversions can work out cheaper, just depends what you wana do, yes u will notice the difference loads with the power 50 odd bhp 1.2 and 100 odd bhp 1.6, see wot i mean ;)

P.s. was in high wycombe the other week, live near mk :)

Will

[carltoncrazy]

jus get a GTE,plenty about look sweet,get a gd one for 500(part x`s etc car auctions)
to be honest m8 not many ppl have the time 2 fuck about with cars like me(i.e no job),
if u want me keep my eye open then i will.
i serously culdnt be fucked with an engine conversion.

[RobHardyUK]

I am 18. Na aint fort bout the ol insursance...... i gotta sort my dad first, he is like thers no point cos the cars not worth nout, but i want heavy speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have seen loadsa decent GTEs, but my unc spent so much time wot with gettin my car repsryed etc, so if feel bad bout sellin it. Hmph. im well up for a GSI tho! Oh by the way, how often do host these Milton Keynes meets?

[mikeoxford]

lol @ ian!!!! u cant be bothered with an engine conversion...........


havent you just stripped your car and intend to rebuild every last nut and bolt!?

havent you just removed your engine?

i certainly hope you plan to put your engine back in unless you only plan to go down hills like a push kart :lol:

isnt what your doing as much as engine work if not more as youve stripped the lot :lol:

:twisted: muhahaha sorry m8 - im gettin cheeky again arent i! i should watch it as u painted your teachers car!!!!!!!!!

[RobHardyUK]

lol. ne one ne ideas on wher i can buy a K&N bolt on for my nova? i cant find em on net!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-S i seee the GTE is winning the Poll!!!!!!

[carltoncrazy]

yes mike i have
but doing conversion just takes to much time,
=ian cant b fucked

[Jim]

I prefer the GSi.

Like Will says, Check to see how much insurance is gonna be before you do anything. No point doing the conversion or buying the car if you can't insure it.

Jim

[mikeoxford]

someone on here the other day, beef i think it was, told us he got a gsi (IC group 11 - same as gte - 1.6 inj) and hes put a 2ltr engine from a cav GL and its made it a group 8, so it just shows ya dont it

[RobHardyUK]

Blimey! Has any one of my age been insured on a GSI??? If so roughly how much..... baring in mind i'm under my dads name who has max no claims??

[Will]

hmmmmmmm it appears insurance "fronting" is going on, lol.

Just try an online quote m8 if u wana find out. Its really nice of your old man giving you his maximum NCB, isnt he using it on his own car!?

look in the guides section of the site then other, theres 2 guides there (1 by me *plug* lol) quite usefull take a look :)

Will

[RobHardyUK]

Yeah, I got NCP on his NCB though!! (No claims protection) So if i spin, hit a wall an then roll over twice his no claims is safe... it costs ?20 odd quid a year. Its worth it. :lol:

I did try and get a quote on tesco, but they wouldn't even insure me on a bloody SR online! it said please phone for assistance....... Hmph. I don't even live in a high risk area!!!!!

[carltoncrazy]

m8,8 yrs nocalims,17yr old on a 2.0 calton(I.g 13)
under a femaile driver with 8yrNCB,living in a low risk area full comp,
444.17 full comp,
su u should a lil under that

[locky]

I aint bein funny or nothin, but the gte/gsi has alot more power than ur 1.2, u sed av only been driving a few months u sure u can handle the power? remember that cars are rolling death wagons! if ya do get a gte/gsi/fo a conversion, make sure u can handle the power!
No hard fellings,
Locky

[rysmee]

i recently gone from 1.3 sr to gsi and a million quid couldn't get me to swap back ! (well ok it would but i'd have to go and buy another gsi!no, actually, a porsche)
i dont know why everyones saying gte, the gsi is so much more refined, hardly squeaks or ratlles like the older ones do, and so the drive is just so much nicer. if you can find the later one( k plate) it has better brakes.
my friends were telling me to swap the engine but i just couldn't be arsed... its never the same as buying a car that hasn't been ripped apart and put back together again.. if you know what i mean.

as for insurance... try just under the price i paid for the car!
thats err....a grand fully comp for 22 year old with 0ncb and 3 points. not bad for my first ever insurance but still makes me cringe every month when i look at my bank balance! so i go for a thrash in the car and that makes me realise where the moneys going... cant beat the feeling of 130 on the flat. not that i would ever speed.

[Jim]

The only problem with being on your dads insurance is that you won't be getting any NCB yourself, so when the time comes to insure yourself, you might find you have 5 years driving experience, but no NCB, so the insurance might not be all that cheap in comparison to someone thats insured themselves since they were 17.

Jim

[carltoncrazy]

yes jim,but also not every one has the money to spend on insurance,
and if hes a stundent and only working part time,you have to weight up,
m8 go under your dad,its clear you cant afford to go by urself,so go by yaself on insurance wen ya in full time employment,

[tomasti]

Pay the extra pennies for a GSi, the mk2's look better in and out and at the end of the day they're a newer car so theres a higher chance of a low miler. My J-reg has done 25,500, but its not a GSi lol, its a 1200 fun. Nevermind!

[Will]

carlton m8 jim makes a valid point weigh up the differences its better to go under your own name read the insurance guide, Going under ur parents is great but its technically "fronting" neway rob does your dad not use his NCB on his own car? wots that all about

Will

p.s. engine conversions are good, its still my nova sting i got just faster :P

[carltoncrazy]

yes i understand,but end of the dayd if you bring in just say 80 quid a month,you cant afford to go under ya own name,
sorry but who gibves a fuck if hes fronting,u no wot i mean,end of the day,every give this lil lyes to the insurance company.
i.e garage over night,
how many times cant u b ars to put it in thegarage,coz ya 2 busy banging ya bird,
insurance companys r a bunch of theieves but they cant get away with ti coz they no we have to have it.
i like the russians idea

[nutsaboutnovas]

As an 18yr old driving just under a year on a K plate GSi parked in a driveway limited to 6,000 miles a year .. has to have a thatcham cat 1 alarm.. i was qouted ?2800 for the year... As soon as i had been driving a year it went down to ?1500.. that was eith no NCB as i was on my dads policy.. This is also cheaper as i turned 19!! you be better off waiting until you have been driving a year... it is so much cheaper....

Oh and get GSi mine is wicked wouldn't swap it for the world... lowered on adjustable spax shocks 15" alloys full stainless steel powereflow exhaust system.. de-catted 119BHP!!!! so much quicker than my 1.4i flair

[RobHardyUK]

MY 1.2 has done low 66k, but yeh your rite, i do want a low miler... i can handle power, i have driven a V-Reg 2.0 Sri astra! was piss. obviously a newer car tho :-s but still!!! are gsis well expensive on insurance??? under my dads name? tesco online wont quote me, not even on a 1.3sr :-s but the will quote me on a VTR saxo, or a 1.6 Si clio, or even the latest shape 1.8 sport astra!!!!!!!! but 1.3 sr which is 4 seconds slower to 60, they say no!!! :?

[Anton]

cos 1.3 is more desirable and easier to steal :(

[Ric 16v]

if you are 17 (like me) then u won't be able to afford a 2.0 16v coz the insurance companies will just laugh at u probably the same with a GTE/GSi, they won't tough u coz of the fancy name !!!! and my brothers nova GSi got totally wasted by a nova GTE and the GTE was standard as fuck, my brothers GSi had k&n filter, fse power boots valve, superchipped and the head skimmed and it still got wasted to fuck !!!!!! an I'll get him on here 2 prove it to u if u don't believe me !!!!!!!

[RobHardyUK]

carlton m8 jim makes a valid point weigh up the differences its better to go under your own name read the insurance guide, Going under ur parents is great but its technically "fronting" neway rob does your dad not use his NCB on his own car? wots that all about

My dad uses NCB on his car obviously, you can use it on as many cars as he wants..... he is the main driver on the insurance, i'm just on the side, paying extra for no claims protection, so if i i crash i won't fuck it up for him. All they need is proof of his NCB. He could have a thousand cars insured if he wanted 2!!! :|

[carltoncrazy]

yes m8,rob i like,u nutter is rong,and ur right and u told him
gd 1.
anton sorry m8 but ur talking outa ya ass,all novas are the same to nick,
pop locks hot wire,run off,
so wot u chatting bout them being easyer 2 nick?
more ppl want them yes,
lets face it who wants a mk2 white 1.2 :lol: when u can have a sr?
so sorry anton ur wrong m8

[Anton]

No Ian you took what I meant wrong mate.

What I ment was Novas are probably more likey and easier to be stolen than newer cars such as saxo's and clios which have immobilisers and other stuff as standard. I quoted a 1.3 sr cos that was what rob was talking about. Sorry if u missread me.

And don't dis my car, i'm only 17 and thats all i can fcukin afford 2 insure, and I and other ppl think I am doing damn well with what I have got (read the comments I have). Not all of use can insure, let alone run 2.0 carltons.

[MattyWoo]

rob - you are wrong, novanutter is right, you can't trust use your NCB on more than one car, trust me a couple of my family members work in motor insurance!!!

Ian - Why are you always arguing with people, if there was a 1.2 in the street and a theif wants a car, they are gonna take it. They aren't gonna say "actually no i wont take that i'll bide my time and wait a few weeks till i find an Sr, then nick that" are they!!!

[Nova-Flair]

if i seen anton's car and a bog standard SR in a street i know which one i would have

put it this way the SR owner would be happiest the next day :wink:

[carltoncrazy]

anton chill,im was taking the piss,
and seem to of touch a touchy spot,
also if u notice i have put a decent comment on ur car!!!!!!!!!
any how the carlton does 35 to the gallon,
any how im getting all defeencive over my 1.3 sr,
so watch it!
no afence anton but i wuld prefere a mk1 than a mk2 .
i think the mk1 sr looks better than the mk2,
sorry anton :oops:

[Anton]

ok sorry as well, every1 has there own tastes :D

[RobHardyUK]

lol boys boys... my dad insured his car just after mine, and he obviously also had to send his no claims proof off, and the same with mine, both are with tesco..... and no probs!!!!! :lol:

[locky]

Tesco + mods = low insurance, but, on bodywork, chassiswork and engine work, theyll sonn boost up the premium if u tell em bout the mods!

[Will]

Its true wots the point in having ur own policy if ur dad could insure himself and u and ur sis and ur mum and ur nan and ur cousins all on their cars with full no claims protection, u can ONLY USE NCB on ONE CAR!! FACT...........


yes m8,rob i like,u nutter is rong,and ur right and u told him gd 1.

Dont tell me im wrong until u know the facts urself m8, just some free advice ;)

Merry xmas

Will

[Will]

p.s. rob if i was u id ring up tesco and clear this, if you have an accident (i hope u dont) then you may find your policy is invalid, 6 points for no insurance and lose ur licence etc, obviously this is a worst case senario etc but might be worth a mention. If they are fine with you doing it then i will eat my words :)

Gota be worth it just to shut me up, lol

[RobHardyUK]

The point in him building his no claims is obvious, to save money as we all know.... the catch, i ain't building my no claims up.

Now you may think, what bout say if my "uncle" got put on... who might have max no claims already: the insurance would go up. its just a advantage to me while im young, when im 25 then i will go on my own 2 feet. :lol:

[Will]

i understand wot ur saying but wot i wrote above still applys!

[carltoncrazy]

nutter sorry m8 but u r rong,
i know ppl that use there no claims on 4 different caras on 4 different companys,and there cool with it,

[RobHardyUK]

Thats what i think.... :oops: i mean if say nuttah you are right, surely when they ask for the no claims evidence, there would be some sort of code on there, to stop the person with the no claims using it twice?? They def ain't said no to us :wink:

[Ian]

Ncb can only be used on 1 car at a time. i dont care what your aunties dogs cousins sisters grandmother says they are doing.

very rarely will insurance companies allow you to duplicate it, and that is they duplicate it, they dont just let you use it on as many cars as possible

oh and just cos u passed your test doesnt mean you can drive.

[Ian]

nutter sorry m8 but u r rong,
i know ppl that use there no claims on 4 different caras on 4 different companys,and there cool with it,

complete bollocks, get your facts right before you correct others.

[mikeoxford]

:oops: steady on guys!

[Nova-Flair]

i am insured thru me dad on my 1.2 (cos i aint got a full time job yet + would find insuring it difficult on my own) and we couldnt get his NCB on the nova as well as his escort

[carltoncrazy]

ooooook i aint gonna fight bout this,
but my lass,has got a different insurance for the 206
but her dad is a mian driver,yet he uses his no claims on the pug,lexus and the merc.but there all got different poilcys
i did this wen i was younger with my parents,
so are we driving illegaly?
also i never heard the insurance company ask if its used on anther car,
insurance is confusing,so could sum1 explain,coz if fayes driving illgally i wanna sort that quick,so she dont get done

[Manta Mad]

I previously always thought that you could only have NCB on one car/policy but I have my Nova on the usual everyday type policy with NCB. I took out a classic car policy for the Manta last year (limited mileage) and provided I had another car I could use my NCB on the classic car policy also.

[Ste_Nova]

lmfao

i have 2 cars on the SAME NCD a

1.2i nova with a 2.0 16v fitted

and a

1.0 nova with a 1.4sr fitted

i pay ?500 fully comp for the pair

[RobHardyUK]

Well my insurance is cheaper under my dads name rather tha just under mine, so i don't care... anyways, they asked my dad if there was any other drivers he waned to be nameed on my car..... so he said yes obviously, that being me....... so why would they then ask if he had any no claims????? also they would have said to us being that my dads car is also on tesco, "you are already using your no claims" but they didnt.

[locky]

They normally ask if u'v had an accident within the last so many yrs, that means they are askin have u any ncb! very strange they didnt mention the ncb part! very strange indeed!

[RobHardyUK]

".....anyways, they asked my dad if there was any other drivers he waned to be nameed on my car..... so he said yes obviously, that being me....... so why would they then ask if he had any no claims?????...."

[Will]

oh well tis mystery to me, im insured under me own name ?750 0 NCB 19 yrs old 1.2 sting with SR engine and other mods etc :) still a luton postcode lol

[Fester]

OK

you can only use your no claims on one car, but if you get another car they may discount you to the amount that the no claims you have would, except you wouldnt accumulate any actual no claims on that policy, only the one with the actual no claims on



i think that is what is trying to be said


unless you have some sort of policy incorporating both cars?

[carltoncrazy]

i check my insurance 2day,
nova and carlton both have diffence policys,different companys,i rang up one,and the girl(sounds dead sexy) said it was cool.
so i reckon this is a grey area or something,
2 b honest i dont give a fuck,it saves me money