View Full Version : Ian Holmes Concours GTE - still about?
Use to be one of my favourites from back in the day... :thumb:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.bishop30/novalution/images/ian55.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.bishop30/novalution/images/ian50.jpg
chimp007_uk
22-12-08, 07:33 PM
Nice car...
How does it qualify for Concours, with strut brace, ally headder tank and cesaros?
I say Concours, it was about the most standard looking Nova on the scene back in the day, very clean from what I remember.
Dec
andybishop
22-12-08, 07:36 PM
Yeah it's still tucked up in his garage..
Chimp007 uk - It qualifies for Concours as it won quite a few trophies a few years ago and was/is in showroom condition, well better than that!
Nice car...
How does it qualify for Concours, with strut brace, ally headder tank and cesaros?
Have you ever actually seen this car?? If you had you may understand why as years ago it was one of the cleanest standard novas around and won a fair few trophys for it iirc!
Dec, Im sure I remember someone poss (M Ridley?)saying he still owns it and is currently getting it back to top condition for showing again. :)
chimp007_uk
22-12-08, 07:38 PM
Fair does. I always thought concours was standarder than standard. Genuine wheels tyres the lot, thats all.
Have you ever actually seen this car?? If you had you may understand why as years ago it was one of the cleanest standard novas around and won a fair few trophys for it iirc!
Sadly I haven't, and I was doubting how nicer a car it was, or the fact that it shouldn't have won competitions... I was was questioning the "idea" of concours.
Have you ever actually seen this car?? If you had you may understand why as years ago it was one of the cleanest standard novas around and won a fair few trophys for it iirc!
Dec, Im sure I remember someone poss (M Ridley?)saying he still owns it and is currently getting it back to top condition for showing again. :)
Excellent, some competition lol
It'd be good to see some current pics, does anyone keep in touch with him?
Dec
andybishop
22-12-08, 07:42 PM
In the old PNG days there was different classes for concours, standard and modified, and for alot this car was standard, all standard parts are there to put it back to standard.
andybishop
22-12-08, 07:43 PM
Dec, Ian lives along the road from me and I've seen the car earlier in the car, it's not been touched for a few years now, but he is planning to get back on it at some point...
Looks nice, braided hose for the rad/header tank hose? Nice touch.
Fair does. I always thought concours was standarder than standard. Genuine wheels tyres the lot, thats all.
Sadly I haven't, and I was doubting how nicer a car it was, or the fact that it shouldn't have won competitions... I was was questioning the "idea" of concours.
The VW Concours scene is full of slammed Mk1's etc, concours is a general term which derives from "concours de elegance" which is french for contest of elegance.
R,
Dec
chimp007_uk
22-12-08, 07:47 PM
The VW Concours scene is full of slammed Mk1's etc, concours is a general term which derives from "concours de elegance" which is french for contest of elegance.
Cheers for that! Everytime, friends of mine have been building cars up for shows, they've been going for completely standard and saying its concours. Not being a shower, i didn't know... Cheers for that!!
andybishop
22-12-08, 07:50 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Messer88290/PCCNATIONALWEEKEND2002021.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Messer88290/TOTALVAUXHALLPHOTOSHOOT007.jpg
Here's some of the last pictures taken of it before it was taken off the road, around 2002 I believe at the PCC National Weekend and the Total Vauxhall Shoot.
[quote=Dec16v]The VW Concours scene is full of slammed Mk1's etc, concours is a general term which derives from "concours de elegance" which is french for contest of elegance.
I think a few people have different ideas on what makes a concourse car etc as said previously, My idea would be something that is exceptionally clean and well built be it standard or modified.
For one I'll be looking forward to seeing Ians car again however I imagine yours is going to take some beating though Dec!
vaughanmc
22-12-08, 07:51 PM
Aye he's on JOV as well - I think the thread is called 'The Paperweight' ?
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Messer88290/PCCNATIONALWEEKEND2002021.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Messer88290/TOTALVAUXHALLPHOTOSHOOT007.jpg
He's some of the last pictures taken of it, around 2002 I believe at the PCC National Weekend and the Total Vauxhall Shoot.
Looks even cleaner than I remember it! Lovely example :)
Matt Pickering
22-12-08, 07:54 PM
Dec, got some pics from around the 2002/2003 mark which i think was around the last show's it went too. There was talk of getting it out for the 25th aniversary but dont think ian could get the car to his standards in time for billing!! Hope to see it next show season though.
i'll check for some pics and post them up! ( just been trying to post the same pics Andy has) should have some others
Matt..
chimp007_uk
22-12-08, 07:54 PM
Wasn't there a very similar gte at pvs this year? A Girl/Lady owned it? I'm probably wrong and well off the mark
vaughanmc
22-12-08, 08:00 PM
www.novalution.co.uk (http://www.novalution.co.uk) - I'm sure theres some pics of it on there :)
andybishop
22-12-08, 08:05 PM
www.novalution.co.uk (http://www.novalution.co.uk) - I'm sure theres some pics of it on there :)
I should really update that site..... :eek:
Thats cleaner than clean!
Didn't even come out the factory that shiny lol
vaughanmc
22-12-08, 08:11 PM
I should really update that site..... :eek:
You should :)
wilson_sri
22-12-08, 08:24 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Messer88290/TOTALVAUXHALLPHOTOSHOOT007.jpg
I think i just came a little :eek:
Would love my engine to be that clean. I take it that heat shield is a custom jobby? Love it!
andybishop
22-12-08, 08:29 PM
Yeah the Heatshield was custom made by spec-r along with a few other bits and pieces.
wilson_sri
22-12-08, 08:37 PM
Absolutly love it. Made my year seeing that! lol Any more pictures?
Would be awesome to see it at Billing next year.
dj_wudgey
22-12-08, 08:38 PM
this looks extreemly tidy!!!
Concours has lost a lot of the real concours these days.
A guy i know won it at usc, and the car was never clean, still have compound splatters in the shuts and on rubbers and the hood fabrick.
The vw boys still do it much better tho, where if its not clean and perfect thenits not even put in the draw. Doesnt need to be standard, but have to be more minty than a polo factory and more clean.. Well ultra clean. Like Decs.
twistysnovagte
23-12-08, 06:03 PM
thats probaly the cleanest gte ive seen,im nowing getting lazy lob thinking about itlol shhhweeeeeet
Ive never seen this before, looks very clean indeed, And to think Neil white thought his gte was the only best around. looks like it was close between them
Wow thats a blast from the past! i love this car!
Whatever happened to the other guy who had a white concours gte? Niel someone?
John the guy that posted above you bought his car.
andybishop
23-12-08, 06:42 PM
Ian, Neil White and Garry Hope (K95VHD) were all from the same time and regularly competed against each other at the shows.
John the guy that posted above you bought his car.
ah, cool. Might have to go and check his wip to see how tidy it still is.
ah, cool. Might have to go and check his wip to see how tidy it still is.
I havent got a wip on the gte, i can make a thread with some pics of it from a few months ago if you want?
I remember turning up at Billing one year to find Ian outside the toilet block with the car on stands washing and polishing inside the wheelarches lol
twistysnovagte
23-12-08, 08:30 PM
this may sound a bit of topic slightly,but ive always thought this,id love to have seen my car in the flesh when it left the factory,all the shiny bits etc.:( ,put some pics of your up bigs,white gte mmmmmm:)
I havent got a wip on the gte, i can make a thread with some pics of it from a few months ago if you want?
yeah, would be good fella.
meritlover
23-12-08, 08:45 PM
i would prefer to see this car with std parts, no shiney bits, GM battery and leads, Header tank, airbox, coil, hoses and no strut brace. the word 'concours' is thrown about all to freely when describing a clean car. it may be clean, but its not in the true spirit of concours.
shame because it would look so much better with std and factory 'clean unpolished' aluminium parts.
some scroats probably bought it, cut the back floor out and attempted some half baked-never-to-be-finnished RWD project :(
or dropped the engine fitted an XE and hammered the chassis legs to get it to fit.
:(:(
andybishop
23-12-08, 11:11 PM
Meritlover - As I've said earlier in the Thread, Ian still own's the car, it's still in his garage, pretty much as it was in those pictures and as said, all the standard stuff is there to go back on. Well apart from the Airflow meter, inlet manifold, throttle body and most of the other shiney bits that are hand polished!
Best get all the VW concours boys to put their concours cars back to standard...
meritlover
23-12-08, 11:21 PM
Best get all the VW concours boys to put their concours cars back to standard...
ye i think for the good of a true concours contest your right.
after all if there is no incentive to retain cars originality and maintain standard parts, it just becomes another show 'n' shine or modified car contest.
andybishop
23-12-08, 11:42 PM
Well most of the trophies Ian won were PNG Show 'n' Shine awards.
meritlover
23-12-08, 11:44 PM
which is perfectly well deserved, i just dont think the car is concours by the true spirit. just because the original parts are in a box in the garage, doesnt mean its a std car
andybishop
24-12-08, 12:02 AM
Did I say it was a standard car... It's far from standard with Wilwood brakes, softstars, Blydenstein head and all the shiney bits.. I've said it could be pretty much put back to standard if Ian wanted to.
Just because I have a load of standard nova bits in my garage doesn't make my car standard.. :wtf:
meritlover
24-12-08, 01:18 AM
what?
krobinson
24-12-08, 11:30 AM
Saw the car at Ians in 2004, was still in stunning condition. Last time I saw Ian this year he mentioned a nut and bolt rebuild again!
Neil White's Old GTE (from when I owned it for a few months in 2007)
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/syep2001/DSCF2316.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/syep2001/DSCF2304.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/syep2001/DSCF2315.jpg
Dan is in the middle of bring it back up to a good standard now.
Was a little worse for wear when I had it (keyed etc :-()
Big_Chap
25-12-08, 09:54 AM
I remember that car from early tv's, was impressed by the level of detail polished anti-roll bars etc! Probably the most buffed up nova ever? Did it have dark softstars at one point and dark painted bumpers? Maybe getting the last bit mixed up with another grey GTE
I remember that car from early tv's, was impressed by the level of detail polished anti-roll bars etc! Probably the most buffed up nova ever? Did it have dark softstars at one point and dark painted bumpers? Maybe getting the last bit mixed up with another grey GTE
Think your thinking of Stuart tautons (sp) Ereg SR.
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