View Full Version : Might be gettin fired...
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:12 PM
...basically for doin fack all and spending the last 6 months on PNG at work. Was kinda awkward tryin to explain to my boss what muppet corner was. They've had a monitor thing on my computer monitoring useage over the last 6 mths or so. :wtf:. Got a meeting with HR next week to see if I'm still employed...Feck. Consequently, no more spends on the project til I know I'm safe.
General Baxter
27-11-08, 09:13 PM
FAIL lol
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:19 PM
FAIL lol
thats what I thought lol
have you actually been doing the work they have given you??
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:23 PM
yeah I have
hmmmm I've spent the past 4 years on forums daily... no one cares aslong as the work is completed every week.
CoolTiger
27-11-08, 09:25 PM
are you replying from work now becuase if you are thats just taking the piss lmao
Welsh Dan
27-11-08, 09:25 PM
What do you do for a living?
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:26 PM
no im at home and I work as an estimator for a railway company
so they can't fire you if you have been doing your work..they might try something with the misuse of company assets, but there has to be an official meeting first, before the warning letters, verbal warnings etc..... find out if you are allowed to bring in a third party to this meeting as a witness. that will put the wind up them.
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:27 PM
stu, wish that was the case at my place :roll:
I work as an estimator for a railway company
'how many tracks do we need???'
'err mmmmm I estimate that we need two of then....'
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:28 PM
find out if you are allowed to bring in a third party to this meeting as a witness. that will put the wind up them.
I am allowed and got someone who has my back :thumb:
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:29 PM
'how many tracks do we need???'
'err mmmmm I estimate that we need two of then....'
pmsl if only lol lol
hmmm I'm waiting for the "union" word to be dragged out lol...... That will earn you no favours :D
I bet he's a paid up member of the 'wheeltappers & shunters'
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:35 PM
lol I didn't join t'union
lol I didn't join t'union
Good man!!!! :thumb:
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:39 PM
the union man was odd and got the hump when I said I didn't want to join hehe
Aww hendrix thats not good, hope you dont lose your job over it.
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:43 PM
me too, Guess we'll see next week eh!
MyNovaSr
27-11-08, 09:44 PM
Hope they dont sack you, but as others have said most dont care as long as the work is done.
Yeah, hopefully they let you off with a warning this time instead, How have you been hendrix not spoke to you in a while :)
Just get HR to fight your corner
hendrix
27-11-08, 09:55 PM
the wont...trust me.
as someone who's married to someone in HR I suggest you read your code of conduct and acceptable use of technology policy (or whatever you call it).
If the words "constitutes gross misconduct" are mentioned you may as well join an agency and start looking for another job.
How long you been there?
For any HR meeting you should be able to bring someone along as "moral support". I dont recommend your lawyer though. For all the crap they cause/talk, being in the Union at times like these is really handy - they will represent you, they know every loop hole and get out clause known to man!
Depending on your use of technology policy you'll either get a verbal warning, 1st written warnong or final written warning. they usually stay on your record for 6-12 months. Gross misconduct = dismissal.
Sounds heavy but "big" companies have to follow a set structure so all employees are treated the same - they'll probably adjourn half way though to consider the outcome and compare your actions against similar cases theyve dealt with.
During the hearing you'll be asked to explain why you spent some much time using company computers for private use. They'll try and catch you out so be careful what you say - for example - you say you surfed the net because you'd finished all your work ahead of schedule and were bored - they'll say why didnt you ask for more work help colleagues etc?
Think about how you can counter these without being a c0cky barsteward.
My advice - hold your hands up and take it like a man. Be honest, dont bullsh1t because they'll catch you out. Apologise and say you were stupid and didnt appreciate how long you were surfing and you were "caught up in the moment". And if you access the 18+ section whilst at work...just get your coat...
Fingers crossed for you and Good Luck matey.
Keep us posted (but not at work!)
Sh!t man thats bad, err how can they do that though as there is bugger all doing at my work so im constantly on here all day long......
Wonder if they are watchin me, hmmm!
brainsnova
27-11-08, 11:11 PM
did you explain to your boss that P.N.G is the place to be.
hendrix
28-11-08, 09:20 PM
I did indeed hahaha not!! I'm on very thin ice lol
good luck mate, i hope it goes well!
hendrix
28-11-08, 09:47 PM
ahh I didn't see your reply Ade, very interesting reading. I've spoke to several people before who say I will just get a Verbal Warning. Got lots of emails from people saying "good work" and such like over the last year so gonna take them with me. Also got someone to come into meeting with me who backs me up that I've never had a days training in the 3 years I've been there.
Already had a meeting with my line manager and held my hands up saying I've been stupid etc. Been having some issues with people at work incl line manager and commercial director treating/talking to me like sh*t and therefore me having no motivation.
Been a good day today, impressed line manager etc but its apparently out her hands now.
Waiting game sucks!!
General Baxter
28-11-08, 09:48 PM
just slip them all a long one ;)
hendrix
28-11-08, 09:50 PM
lol I was thinking of resigining before they can give me the boot
mmm dangerous to do that - going to next employer they'll ask you for the reason you resigned...they'll also seek a reference...although old employers are not allowed to bad mouth you - if they do yoiu can take them to court.
hendrix
28-11-08, 11:25 PM
Ive got a couple of agencies primed, just say I fancied a change etc
Unless they have an internet usage policy which you signed (or clicked accept/ok on when you first used the internet at work) and they have a RECORD of this, you can tell them to go fcuk themselves tbh.
Claim Racial Discrimination :thumb: sure fire winner :D
Ade has hit the nail pretty much on the head, as long as you haven't been accessing illicit sites (and trust me they will know) you may be in for a first stage disciplinary (verbal) or a written at the worst.
TBH if you're being allowed to sit surfing PNG all day it doesn't say too much for your management. If it is a case of not enough work there for you to do, you could be looking at redundancy :(
Dec
Philsutton
30-11-08, 03:19 PM
at my place of work we are allowed to use the computers / internet for personal use so long as it doesnt prevent me from working. In one of the postgrad offices we have about 4 / 5 computers that we use to play network games on lol. Then again the university is very laid back, and as long as work is done then inbetween i can do as i please, and as im very efficient I have lot of do what i want time lol.
You see this is one reason why i dearly miss my old job as a fax repair man. Before the company diversified into AV, i would sit and download music, films and porn all day, surf the (old old) PVG forum, then go and compare films and porn with my manager, eek out the best bits and send them to the MD, and then at the end of the day, so long as all my work was done, we would have a massive network game of quake lol
We used to have sections of racking with nothing on them, just a pillow for afternoon kips. Smoking was allowed in the office. One of the engineers used to bring a bag of whizz with him and eat it with a spoon, and then get angry with himself and throw fax machines against the wall! 100% entertainment all day evvery day
The money wasnt great, but I have NEVER been so motivated to go to work since lol
I think thats why I went self employed. I couldnt go and work for a company where you could get sacked for the stupidest thing.
lol thats immense! /\
same as when i was at the scrappy, did feck all all day. i had my nova at work too so i used to work on it when i wanted. free parts, free storage, free ramp ( manitou forklift), = easy life. winter was harsh, but all we did then was have a thermos of hot choc with brandy, and ride bout in forklifts.lol happy days!
dj_wudgey
30-11-08, 03:50 PM
no way dude!!! i hope you keep your job matey!!!! good luck any way you will have to keep us posted on your situation!!!
skidmarkz
30-11-08, 03:57 PM
...basically for doin fack all and spending the last 6 months on PNG at work. Was kinda awkward tryin to explain to my boss what muppet corner was. They've had a monitor thing on my computer monitoring useage over the last 6 mths or so. :wtf:. Got a meeting with HR next week to see if I'm still employed...Feck. Consequently, no more spends on the project til I know I'm safe.
A) Did they warn you that you internet usage was being monitored?
No? then its an iligal offence to sack you, as by law they have to inform you that your being monitored and you have 1 month to adjust from recieving written notice of there intended monitoring. If they dont inform you, then they are breaching the data protection act and breaching your right to privacy. After this they must persue regular disaplinary action verbal, written, written\sack
B) Are you viewing any unauthorised sites?
C) Is their anything in your contract that says your not allowed to use it for personal use?
t45_ste
30-11-08, 03:58 PM
You see this is one reason why i dearly miss my old job as a fax repair man. Before the company diversified into AV, i would sit and download music, films and porn all day, surf the (old old) PVG forum, then go and compare films and porn with my manager, eek out the best bits and send them to the MD, and then at the end of the day, so long as all my work was done, we would have a massive network game of quake lol
We used to have sections of racking with nothing on them, just a pillow for afternoon kips. Smoking was allowed in the office. One of the engineers used to bring a bag of whizz with him and eat it with a spoon, and then get angry with himself and throw fax machines against the wall! 100% entertainment all day evvery day
The money wasnt great, but I have NEVER been so motivated to go to work since lol
I think thats why I went self employed. I couldnt go and work for a company where you could get sacked for the stupidest thing.
lol
gtachorley
30-11-08, 05:15 PM
Lee, thats epic sounds like the best work EVA !!!
A) Did they warn you that you internet usage was being monitored?
No? then its an iligal offence to sack you, as by law they have to inform you that your being monitored and you have 1 month to adjust from recieving written notice of there intended monitoring. If they dont inform you, then they are breaching the data protection act and breaching your right to privacy. After this they must persue regular disaplinary action verbal, written, written\sack
B) Are you viewing any unauthorised sites?
C) Is their anything in your contract that says your not allowed to use it for personal use?
I think you'll find most companies have an internet usage policy, which will be part of the T&C's you sign up to when you join.
For example, mine says "excessive or inappropriate use of the internet is not permitted and will be considered as a disciplinary matter. Use for illegal or offensive purposes is not permitted and will constitute gross misconduct."
craig green
01-12-08, 04:42 PM
I think you'll find most companies have an internet usage policy, which will be part of the T&C's you sign up to when you join.
For example, mine says "excessive or inappropriate use of the internet is not permitted and will be considered as a disciplinary matter. Use for illegal or offensive purposes is not permitted and will constitute gross misconduct."
As does mine, to the word.
Beginning to wonder if I should log off though? lol
Hope you get off Hendrix, not the best thing to have to tell people (other half or parents etc) that you were laid off for 'serfin the net' yo.
skidmarkz
01-12-08, 07:11 PM
mine didnt, it does now lol
andreas you silly ****er!
read all the points above and they are pretty much all valid points.
remember, if you haven't been given anything to sign that your useage is not allowed (even 18+) then you claim stupidity.
they cant discipline you on something they have failed to advise you on. and if they are going to persue the method of miss-use and have monitored you for several months, then they need to inform you of this action. as it is classed as entrapment and not giving you any counciling to the matter.
as mentioned earlier, if you have signed something. Appologies and say it'll never happen again.
if it comes to a point were they are going to go down the route of sacking you, ask them if they will accept your resignation as this will save the hassle of the process.
but
if they try to pursue this and you have had no policy about not using computer, then say. Let me go and speak to the citizens advice bureau and ACAS. As i think i am being unfairly treated with no policy been given to me. I admit i was wrong to use this, i have had no councilling and feel unfairly treated.
hendrix
01-12-08, 10:11 PM
Hehe cheers sean.
There is a policy but I don't recall ever being given it tbh.
This issue of my computer use was brought up on 10th Nov and now its 3 weeks later. They said it would be sorted within a week but still nothing. You think I can have them for undue stress, no response in a timely manner, sleepless nights etc etc??
My line manager has already noticed my priductivity has increased greatly so guess we'll see
maybe that was your warning in a indirect method.
keep your nose clean.
hendrix
01-12-08, 10:18 PM
Yeah but manager said its with HR now and there will be a meeting with them, 3 weeks now and nothing and its really beginnin to stress me out
ask them, say you are inquiring as this is casing stress in the work place.
as a risk assessor for my ex-company, stress in the work place is the governments latest big thing.
say your asking as you are getting stressed as you have heard nothing and you dont want to make any costly errors due to your state of mind
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