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My van, i love it!
Brought a few weeks ago for the pricely sum off £300 and it's actually quite solid! The rear arches have been done and painted badly, but at least they're been done. The underneath is solid too.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno4wDYR9I/AAAAAAAAACs/p62bWz68t_w/s640/Camera_photos_220.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno5Vrw7XI/AAAAAAAAAC8/L57nhsXIM2U/s640/Van%20side.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno5ag2t7I/AAAAAAAAAC0/S3pBnVhV5vo/s640/Camera_photos_221.jpg
How's about that for ground clearance!! I have a pic on my phone when i have the 1.7td engine in the back and it sits much nicer than that. I should really drop it.
So far, these are the things i plan to fit in the next few weeks
1.7td engine
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno349i3QI/AAAAAAAAACI/wyJMm8gwJyA/s640/1.7td.jpg
FMIC from a sierra cosworth 4x4
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno4aI4_bI/AAAAAAAAACc/3KLbDSyUGZs/s640/fmic.jpg
Some generic airfilter
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno4YVLPnI/AAAAAAAAACU/QPOMNFVtzGg/s640/filter.jpg
Internal shifter from an astra
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno4mfFnGI/AAAAAAAAACk/fb-Lv2zt0VE/s640/shifter.jpg
And i decided to buy myself an early chritmas present from halfords in the shape of a 150 piece tool kit to help with the fitting
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno5-f8LFI/AAAAAAAAADE/AGzxQMTf4rs/s512/tools.jpg
We have a massive collection of tools and equipment at my parents house but it's all my dads and seeing as he's in the midlands and i'm in london, i thought i should start gathering my own stuff now.
And also it's pretty. Oooooooooooh shinny
Finaly, rover V8 on the right. Tempting isn't it......
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lFUJln0ddw8/SSno6KRgy-I/AAAAAAAAADM/qg5RQpf_B10/s640/v8.jpg
As for plans, i'm feeling kind of inspired by PPC's £999 challenge. I'm not really bothered about looks just now so i just want it to go/turn/stop fast. If i actually manage get it flying then i may try and enter the £999 challenge after all!
So far
Van £300
Engine £50 (I bought another one for £100 but thats not going in here so it doesn't count, may even sell it on!)
FMIC £20 delivered
Filter £15 delivered
Shifter (Came with the engine; asked for it)
Total £385
Left £614
Think i'v won a manual boost controller on ebay tonight so will add it tomorrow, just need a boost guage now!
Dan
belly257
24-11-08, 12:17 AM
looks good mate, i will be keeping an eye on this:thumb:
Aye it looks good, should pull some with that 1.7 in, il be following this.
Novaboi_1991
24-11-08, 12:50 AM
^^ as above ^^
DW-Nova
24-11-08, 09:12 PM
looks sound mate, like the sound of your plans too, a tweaked 1.7 td should go well, any idea what power and torque your aiming for ? whats the 1.7td standard ?
didnt baxter or someone have quite a tuned 1.7td?maybe worth looking at some of there previous posts or pm-ing him?i like your plans and should be a good little van once done!
Thanks for the interst guys, will definatley be updating.:D
With regards to power DW, if i do the famous 'white ring mod' and fit a manual boost controler i'v been reliably informed that i should get around 120bhp and 180lb of torque; maybe a little more with the FMIC. Standard the 1.7td puts out 87bhp.
Adam, baxter had a mental 1.7td bored out to 1.8 with twin turbos, custom cam, worked head, etc, etc. Which made around 360bhp before he blew it up with nos! Havn't found a dedicated thread of his td yet but i'v read some of his postings. Tried to find out some details, like stuff about the cam, but i think he's busy. I do know he spent around 5k on the engine which is a little over the £999 budget i'm shooting for!!:thumb:
One of the things i'm noticing with trying to budget is you really have to decide whats important and stay focused; i got carried away on ebay last night bidding on a rear beam from a gte astra so i could convert the rears to discs.:wtf:
Fair enough it'd be cool to say i had disc brakes all round but it wouldn't make it stop any better and definatly wouldn't make it go any quicker!!!!
And being a van there's no weight at the back so it'd just keep locking-up.
Have to remember, just because it will fit doesn't mean i should fit it.
I could probably afford it, i could probably afford more than £999 on the whole build, but thats not what this thread is about.:)
I will be looking out for some 256mm fronts though, and a gte mastercylinder and servo as i don't want to stack it!
Incidentaly, if anyone knows where i could get some mild steel or ally pipeing to make up some boost pipes please let me know. ranging from 40mm to 60mm.
Ta:p
i am liking the sound of this my mates got a 17td in a nova van it hasnt got an intercooler on it but it still lights the tyres lol.
i shall be watching. :thumb:
DW-Nova
26-11-08, 11:59 PM
Sound Very good mate !!! will be keeping a close eye on this thread, keep the updates coming, best of luck with it all !!!
Adam, baxter had a mental 1.7td bored out to 1.8 with twin turbos, custom cam, worked head, etc, etc. Which made around 360bhp before he blew it up with nos! Havn't found a dedicated thread of his td yet but i'v read some of his postings. Tried to find out some details, like stuff about the cam, but i think he's busy. I do know he spent around 5k on the engine which is a little over the £999 budget i'm shooting for!!:thumb:
lol it purhaps had 360bhp with about 20 maxpower stickers
what is it exactly you want to do as ive done the 1.7td conversion
dj_wudgey
27-11-08, 12:59 PM
ive allways liked the vans me ditch the diesel lump though and go for a big power petrol lump imo!! looks like a nice project though if the shell is solid!!!
I'm planning on doing it over christmas.
I can see where i'm going with a lot of it but there may be one or two snaggs.
For a start the exhaust. On the nova it comes out and down towards the offside but the astra engine runs down and towards the nearside so which downpipe do i need? Can i just rotate the the nova one a bit?
Another thing is cheap(ish) boost pipes? Don't fancy paying for silicone as it's not in keeping with the project so any suggestions? For the filter-to-turbo bit i'm gonna go to a lorry breakers yard and get some coolant hose from them (Oil and water resistant and a good size bore). Was thinking of making my own boost pipes from mild steel but need a cheaper supplier than demon tweaks or custom-chrome. I could use hose again but i'm toying with the idea of water/methanol injection so i don't want something that will degrade.
Cheers for any advice
ive allways liked the vans me ditch the diesel lump though and go for a big power petrol lump imo!! looks like a nice project though if the shell is solid!!!you fool!! clearly never been in a 1.7td nova
Welsh Dan
28-11-08, 12:48 AM
I'm planning on doing it over christmas.
I can see where i'm going with a lot of it but there may be one or two snaggs.
For a start the exhaust. On the nova it comes out and down towards the offside but the astra engine runs down and towards the nearside so which downpipe do i need? Can i just rotate the the nova one a bit?
Another thing is cheap(ish) boost pipes? Don't fancy paying for silicone as it's not in keeping with the project so any suggestions? For the filter-to-turbo bit i'm gonna go to a lorry breakers yard and get some coolant hose from them (Oil and water resistant and a good size bore). Was thinking of making my own boost pipes from mild steel but need a cheaper supplier than demon tweaks or custom-chrome. I could use hose again but i'm toying with the idea of water/methanol injection so i don't want something that will degrade.
Cheers for any advice
Can you not get the steel pipe you need from a builders merchants? Or use boost pipes from various scrapyard cars?
brainsnova
28-11-08, 01:18 AM
or building site and get from 22 to 50mm steel pipe for water and gas then use the old pipe benders.
how heavy do you want the ****er to be!!!! you can get any size of exhaust pipe in meter lengths from any motor factors. thats what i used to make hard pipes anyway
nova_niek
28-11-08, 04:08 AM
baxter had a mental 1.7td bored out to 1.8 with twin turbos, custom cam, worked head, etc, etc. Which made around 360bhp before he blew it up with nos! Havn't found a dedicated thread of his td yet but i'v read some of his postings. I do know he spent around 5k on the engine which is a little over the £999 budget i'm shooting for!!:thumb:
Whoa! 360bhp from an oil burner! DIESEL RULES! Are there any threads about Baxter's engine on here? Would like to read all about this... well unless of course it's heavily plastered in Max Power stickers. :D
Cheers,
Niek (who fell out of bed early this morning)
Whoa! 360bhp from an oil burner! DIESEL RULES! Are there any threads about Baxter's engine on here? Would like to read all about this... well unless of course it's heavily plastered in Max Power stickers. :D
Cheers,
Niek (who fell out of bed early this morning)i assume you didnt understand my comment about max power stickers. basically each max power sticker gives you 10bhp. hence why it had so many to make 360bhp
General Baxter
28-11-08, 07:36 AM
oi it did all for about 15 seconds lol
got the graph somewhere lol
baxter doing it for 15 minutes then exploding does not mean you made 360bhp. if it does then imo that was a very poor effort and you could of made **** loads more 360bhp so you fail
Pfft, derv engines are all about the torque, not pub horsepower.
Wow, you guys have been busy when everyone else was asleep.
Can't be ****d to quote to each comment individualy as i'm still half asleep so:
It's staying diesel, have no inclination to make it petrol. I like the way it drives and strangely, i really like the sound:wtf: (Maybe i was a a farmer in a former life).
I'v looked at some builders merchants and their pipe is too thick, the bloody thing would never go, definatly wouldn't corner. The ideal would obviously be silicone + ally hoses and i'll do that once i'v seen how far i can get for £999.
Will ask round some motor factors today if a i get chance, thanks for the tip burgo.
Can't think of anything else to write, it's early.
I get that i'm not doing anything new at this stage as this conversion has been done a few times before now, it's just not well documented EXACTLY how to do it. I have a feeling i'll find little problems along the way, just hopefully not too many as i don't want it off the road for more than a couple of days.....:tard:
Also, someone asked if it was a tidy shell: it is:thumb: Nice and solid! Untill i start cutting holes in it:cool:. Am considering running the exhaust through the tunnel, up into the car after the handbreak, then a y piece (or t piece) to split the exaust, then exit the car through the rear quarters just in front of the wheels.
A little bit of banter for the diesel ney-sayers and some insperation for the rest
Audi TDI lemans winner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10)
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/3060000000058099.JPG?0.4277344759369647
peugeot get in on the act
Peugeot TDI challanger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_908)
http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060616006.jpg
fridge purhaps you could do a guide when you do yours
Will take lots of pictures and give it a go:thumb:
Just hope i can get everything in place to get the new lump in before i take the old lump out.
not really as you need lots off the old engine for the new one
Sorry, didn't mean that literaly. What i meant was i want to be in possession of everything i need to complete the swap before i start taking the van apart. Don't want to whip the engine out then have to wait 3 days on some part before being able to put it in. I'm going to take the 1.5td out, have the 1.7 next to it on the engine stand and swop whatever i can see looks different. Engine mount, water outlet, etc.
I'll be using the 1.5 alternator as the 1.7 block didn't come with one, i'm just still unsure about this exhaust......
Sorry, didn't mean that literaly. What i meant was i want to be in possession of everything i need to complete the swap before i start taking the van apart. Don't want to whip the engine out then have to wait 3 days on some part before being able to put it in. I'm going to take the 1.5td out, have the 1.7 next to it on the engine stand and swop whatever i can see looks different. Engine mount, water outlet, etc.
I'll be using the 1.5 alternator as the 1.7 block didn't come with one, i'm just still unsure about this exhaust......you have to use the 1.5 alternator anyway as the little matter of a crossmember gets in the way with the 1.7 one
as for the exhaust just cut and weld it till it fits lol
DW-Nova
29-11-08, 09:46 PM
This sounds really good !! Big fan of diesels myself !! I had a crappy old 1.8 td escort and i actually loved it, had a K&N on it with the boost turned up a bit and it went really well !! and did about 55 mpg under normal driving. How much power did power and torque Baxters engine put out then ?
Where did you get the IC from? Ebay???
Where did you get the IC from? Ebay???
Yup, Ebay, why do you ask?
Count Vaux Alot
30-11-08, 12:17 AM
if i do the famous 'white ring mod' and fit a manual boost controler i'v been reliably informed that i should get around 120bhp and 180lb of torque; maybe a little more with the FMIC.
I think you will struggle to make that power with those mods alone, as my 1.7 td corsa van made 116bhp and 175 lbft with a little more that that. I suppose it is possible if you just cain up the fuel and boost but i don't know if that will baxter it?
Heres a couple of pics of mine if ya interested you may have seen it before:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/dervtdvan.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/160220081018-1.jpg
I've always fancied tuning a diesel lump, had one before but never touched it.
Good luck with this could be interesting.
to be fair count yours could make more as it needed the fuel turning up more
May have got some of my figures wrong but then i'v never done it or seen one on a rolling road and we all know how 'quoted' figures can snow ball a little.
In general though it does seem like there's a 115-120bhp glass ceiling on these motors which people only go through with NOS. Have seen the dutchnovadiesel on MIG and Rich_C on VXON and i don't think they're making much more.
Well, Rich_C blew his up so it's not even making that nowlol
Also, have seen yours before count:cool: , it's because of yours that i'm getting a N/A manifold. Really like your silicone hose set up as well, i'm currently struggling with how i'm going to plug my FMIC in CHEAPLEY:confused: . Am considering not fitting the FMIC at christmas and just totating the turbo housing round so i can plumb it all in the same(ish) as the 1.5. Then do the cooler when i havemore materials.
Am currently saving up to buy some brakes off you as well :thumb:
Count Vaux Alot
30-11-08, 11:03 AM
to be fair count yours could make more as it needed the fuel turning up more
This is true Burgo, and i turned up both fuel and boost but i recon its only about 120 anyway.
Fridge I wasn't criticising your figures just suggesting they may be hard to achieve with your setup but maybe not....As for the FMC does it actually fit some were in front of the rad as i had to find one that was exactly the right size with inlet and outlets that came straight out the sides of the cooler not like yours that turn in 90degrees or so, unless you are going to mount it horizontally like dutchnova did?
If it fits somewere comftably then fit it all at once, and as burgo said mild steel exhaust pipe is ok for what you want.
wernt you only running 15psi aswell count to make that power?
Count, It had only recently occured to me about the width of it so i will have to check it when i can (FMIC is back at my parents, in the midlands) and it may have to wait till after christmas if it is too narrow. Then i'll have to hope i can sell the bloody thing on!
I wasn't being weird about the figures mate, was just highlighting that i'm no officionardo on these things!:thumb:
Sounds like a good project, good to see a diesal for once, good luck with it mate.
DW-Nova
18-12-08, 11:12 PM
Hows the project going mate ?
looks good
spoke to a guy at work, and apaz the larger turbo from an isuzu trooper bolts straight on ;)
Hello again!
Not much has happened in terms of the engine swop, i'v mainly just been collecting bits! Have had Uni exams in the last few weeks so thats been the main focus.
A couple of things i have managed to get though are a manual boost controller and a boost gauge. I was going to put pics of these up but they're on my phone and i can't figure out how to get them on the comp!:tard:
The manual boost controller is the ball and spring type and NOT a bleed valve as i was advised by others that you can get boost spikes with bleed valves. It was a bargain at £5.99 on begay - I find you can get things much cheaper if you save your searches and are willing to wait for bargains. (Teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here i know)
The boost gauge came for £6.50 and includes a little dash top pod. It has space for 2 gauges which is a plus as i plan to fit an exhaust gas temperature (EGT) gauge.:cool:
Incidentaly the gauge came so cheap as the guy selling it couldn't spell gauge (spelt it gage:tard: ) so unless you did some funny searches like I did then it didn't come up; so i was the only bidder!!
I may stick the new bits on the 1.5 but i'm not sure what the point is seeing as it'll be out in a few weeks, if i can get a part i'm missing.....
The rubber hose that goes onto the intake for the turbo is bigger on the 1.7 than on the 1.5 and i havn't got one at the moment. Bugger. I can always get a silicone hose and try to fit it i guess.
Also in the new year i really have to sort the breaks and the suspension, they're both ok for standard but they really worry me with the way i drive. I don't drive like a prick but i also don't drive like an old dear and the van is way up in the air with standard front brake setup.
Cheers for taking an interest!:thumb:
looks good
spoke to a guy at work, and apaz the larger turbo from an isuzu trooper bolts straight on ;)its pointless doing so tho
novaowner999
19-12-08, 10:09 AM
wish I could find a van in that good nic
wish I could find a van in that good nic
Was a complete fluke. I set out to specificaly buy a td nova and after being too late on a couple of private adds and an ebay one going out of my price range i brought this one; the first one i actually saw and was viewed at night!
maybe this one would be good?
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110489
novaowner999
31-12-08, 11:18 AM
hows the wip going mate any more pics :)
Project has staled with regards to the engine transplant as i don't have the hose which attaches onto the intake of the turbo on the 1.7 engine. :mad:
Will be winding up the boost this weekend though:thumb:
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