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I know its easily doable with stuff like Rust-o-leum as per the VW 80/90 guys, but I dont really have 4weeks to let the thing dry off lol.
Is it possible to roller 2pak paint on? (can you still even get hold of it?) Does anything special need to be done to the mix, ie thicken/thin it more than spraying etc.
Yes you can roller 2 pak paint, its easy peasy to do Stuart :thumb: it'll need to be a thin mix though else it'll be a bast to roll!
Use a 4" decorators roller frame, with a foam sleave (used for glossing doors etc) and it'll go on a dream ;)
The roller frame will cost about £1.50, a pack of 10 sleaves should be about £4 (MAX)
turbojolt
04-11-08, 04:49 PM
why would you want to do this mate will it not leave a horrible finish
will it not leave a horrible finish
Nope, it'll leave an almost factory perfect finish if done correct :thumb:
~~joycey~~
04-11-08, 04:54 PM
My old R5 GTT was rollered :thumb: :D
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:01 PM
Nope, it'll leave an almost factory perfect finish if done correct :thumb:
suppose its one of them things you have to see to believe
suppose its one of them things you have to see to believe
Do it day in, day out and you'll soon pick up on how easy it is to get a perfect finish.
Same goes with any paint, not just 2 pack, decorators use rollers to gloss door/large area's and they/me can get it right first time.
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:27 PM
Do it day in, day out and you'll soon pick up on how easy it is to get a perfect finish.
Same goes with any paint, not just 2 pack, decorators use rollers to gloss door/large area's and they/me can get it right first time.
sorry mate but rollers do not give as good a finish on gloss work as a good quality brush
craig green
04-11-08, 05:30 PM
sorry mate but rollers do not give as good a finish on gloss work as a good quality brush
Lots of flatting will see to the finish.
It is doable & has been done on cars with great results. If you can offset the low cost with the required effort/time, then its a viable option.
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:30 PM
has anyone got any picture of the finish
Opinion. But I'd be done in half the time whilst you'd still be standing there fannying about with a brush ;)
Name me 2 top qaulity brush manufacturers known the world over.
has anyone got any picture of the finish
Obv not as no one on here has done it!
What makes you assume Stu is going to attempt to paint roller a VX220 anyway?! Just because hes posted it on here, it doesnt mean hese going to do it to anything autmotive does it.
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:35 PM
Obv not as no one on here has done it!
What makes you assume Stu is going to attempt to paint roller a VX220 anyway?! Just because hes posted it on here, it doesnt mean hese going to do it to anything autmotive does it.
i never said he was going to paint his car like it
hamlton are the best brush makers
also it is not obv that no one here has done it at all
hamlton are the best brush makers
I said 2. Hamilton & Purdy. Im a decorator by trade chap :thumb: i dont talk sh1t like some other people :p
But, on topic, 2 pack is easy rollerable and you can get perfect result's doing it. Garage floor paint is 2pack (well, the JODUN stuff is) and is also ideal for painting metal work, but costly at £110+vat for 14.4ltr + 5.6ltr hardener.
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:39 PM
not saying you do mate but then you must know that gloss looks better with brush strokes not a speckled finish i understand doing it on a quick cheap job but for the best finish brush strokes are the one
not saying you do mate but then you must know that gloss looks better with brush strokes not a speckled finish i understand doing it on a quick cheap job but for the best finish brush strokes are the one
FFS!! A foam roller will give a speckeled effect for around 5 minutes, once the paint takes, this effects dissapears as the paint film flattens out to leave a glass smooth finish. Job done.
Use a foam sleeve with a domed end BTW Stuart, NOT a flat end, flat ended ones leaves big "paint fat" lines and you have to keep re-rolling to get them out :thumb:
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:45 PM
A foam roller will give a speckeled effect for around 5 minutes, once the paint takes, this effects dissapears as the paint film flattens out to leave a glass smooth finish
you show me this and i will show you a flying donkey lol
A foam roller will give a speckeled effect for around 5 minutes, once the paint takes, this effects dissapears as the paint film flattens out to leave a glass smooth finish
you show me this and i will show you a flying donkey lol
You must be right then as its obvious Donkey's Can Fly (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQcz1CULeM) :roll:
turbojolt
04-11-08, 05:49 PM
no but that one gave it a good try
im considering rollering my golf with matt paint!
turbojolt
04-11-08, 06:14 PM
im considering rollering my golf with matt paint!
that would be interesting mate what kind of golf is it are you trying for the vw rat look
1.the rat look is not VW
2.mk3 golf as per my build thread/avatar
turbojolt
04-11-08, 06:20 PM
sorry put vw and rat look the wrong way around
sealeyA1
04-11-08, 07:05 PM
cant believe you are planning to roller 2 pack paint, please tell me it is not on your car, oh yeah im a car sprayer.
cant believe you are planning to roller 2 pack paint, please tell me it is not on your car, oh yeah im a car sprayer.
Do you really think Stuarts stupid enough to take a 2 pack paint roller to a VX220 lol
Do you really think Stuarts stupid enough to take a 2 pack paint roller to a VX220 lol
yes lol
yes lol
Not really the answer i was looking for but LMAO none the less!
Pistol Pete
04-11-08, 08:47 PM
So, stu...what are you looking to paint??
Nope, it'll leave an almost factory perfect finish if done correct :thumb:
Sorry but thats an oxiemoron.(sp)
I've seen it done, can only do it with direct gloss tho. As base is just too thin. With quite a few coats it can work as the paint will self level almost.
5doornovaboy
04-11-08, 09:00 PM
i have only seen in done on solid colours and even then it has to have a really good flat and polish
Novasport
04-11-08, 09:02 PM
I rollered the floor pan on my Sport shell, admittedly it was over the top of Gravitex stone guard finish but it was as good as a sprayed finish and much thicker than any spray finish could achieve. Ade Culley advised me to to it with 1 pack paint as he had done it to his Concours Series I RS Turbo! Only problem I had was the 1 pack paint I used eventually melted the foam rollerslol
Back in the day painting by hand was always done and then flatted to a glass finish by coach painters, it is amazing what can be achieved.
There used to be brush paints readily available, I remember my dad going on about Brushing Belco(I think thats what it was called) and the gut who used to live up the road always hand painted his cars to a glass like finish!
white2lSR
04-11-08, 09:48 PM
I work for Stagecoach North West and our depot does all the bodywork/paintwork for all the busses in the NW England. They are all brush/roller painted
Im not sure what the paint is, i know they use it straight out the tin!
The finish is quite good, all the quys in the shop are painter decorators.
DW-Nova
04-11-08, 10:36 PM
If you have a sh***y car then by all means roller paint it, i painted my N reg escort TD matt black with a roller and it looked alright, and yeh i would reccomend doing it on a crappy car but i honestly do not belive that you are going to get a perfect finish with rollers no matter how much you flat and polish it, for a start if your using a roller this dictates that your simply trying to save money instead of getting the job done properley therfore doing it in your garage or summin and gettin loads of dust in the finish, basically it's a big no no imo but a really good idea on a cheapy or an old camper or something.
there is a matt black/red (carnt remember which colour lool) s14 about that has been roller painted and it looks really good imo
Think i'm gonna do this on my van. At the moment it's 2 different types of blue, a purple bumper and spots of red every now and then. I want to do it matt black and have no where to spray it so this is gonna be ideal!!!
So i need?
2 pack paint
Dome end roller
Paint tray
da sander????
A warm garage?
If you let me know how i should do it i'll take pictures and we can sort this argument.:thumb:
erm would coach paint not be better for this like one person sed stage coach paints all there busses like it and you wont need to mess around with thinners and hardner am i right ?
cool........ where do i get it?
most good car paint shops we have a place round here called vrs thay are a real good bunch but i dont no round london.
coach paint is only limited colours iirc
It'll be painted in Brum at in my parents garage so maybe i could search paint shops round there. So long as they do black i'm happy.
Also, what does iirc mean?
Welsh Dan
05-11-08, 01:38 AM
If I Remember Correctly.
i love threads like this. so many people with bull**** opinions even tho they've never done it / seen it done. i might re-paint my car with a roller just to prove it can be done and to a high standard. your a bunch of tards
been reading up on this, supposed to be able to use this stuff, might get a small tin and have a try, i mean its only for a track car!!
http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=130373
sealeyA1
05-11-08, 07:18 PM
Do you really think Stuarts stupid enough to take a 2 pack paint roller to a VX220 lol
where does it say i thought he would paint his vx220 with a roller, i use 2 pac all day at work and i wouldnt imagine rolling it on, if its a ****ty old car then yes by all means roller your paint on for quickness but i wouldnt use 2 pac and then flat and polish it back to a flat finish, sorry but we all entitled to an opinion an thats mine. :thumb:
where does it say i thought he would paint his vx220 with a roller, i use 2 pac all day at work and i wouldnt imagine rolling it on, if its a ****ty old car then yes by all means roller your paint on for quickness but i wouldnt use 2 pac and then flat and polish it back to a flat finish, sorry but we all entitled to an opinion an thats mine. :thumb:
:wall: :wall: FFS how many times! If you know what your doing with and a roller, you wont need to flat it back or polish it! Roll it on, back roll it and hey presto. Achieve a good 15 micron +/- finish and your done.
It doesnt say anywhere in any posts about him specifically rolling his VX, however by reading the posts people have put up, everyones assuming he's rolling a car out! Fcuk, garage floor paint is 2pak! So initially id assume thats what hes doing.
It'll be painted in Brum at in my parents garage so maybe i could search paint shops round there. So long as they do black i'm happy.
Also, what does iirc mean?
alright dan, if your going to be doing this then give me a shout, ill come and have a look, sounds intersting to me, lets face it, if its all the same colour then its a start, lol.
:thumb:
DW-Nova
05-11-08, 10:28 PM
Ha Ha this thread is getting into a nice little argument, and it's about roller paint, shows how sad we all are hey lol. My final opinion is that if you want a good finish on your car dont cut corners and get the job done properley I.e sprayed in either a booth or oven, you wont get a perfect result with rollers, if that was the case then all the bodyshops would be doing it. for painting a crappy old car, your bedroom walls or garage floor then yeh perfect, much better than a brush and by all means use 2 pack paint yeh.
lol - I noticed stu's keeping quiet - probably p1ssing himself!
I considered rollering 2pak - just to see if it could be done - I mean its just paint with an activator to harden it like resin so as long as you mix enough whats the problem - spraying the stuff isnt practical for you average Joe in a garage just coz its so nasty (unless you have the gear) so rollering seems an abvious choice.
Like Mike said - if you know what youre doing then why not try rollers.
Mike - you fancy doing my red one?
You can bring the microwave!
lol
ash anderson
05-11-08, 11:33 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7GP5f01CSFM;) :cool:
FTW
Do you really think Stuarts stupid enough to take a 2 pack paint roller to a VX220 lol
me am stupid :D
Ade, I was on holiday, remember lol.
Yes I want to roller the VX. The rustoleum way the VW 80/90 van owners do it, is far far far far far far too slow and needs to leave the car 2 days at a time to dry off... Atleast with 2pak it will go off as fast as I want it to with the hardener mix.
and erm, can you get matt 2pak? :D
turbojolt
07-11-08, 05:38 PM
i don't think the Matt paint job will look good a vx220 mate is there something wrong with the original paintwork
is there something wrong with the original paintwork
yes, vauxhall and lotus touched it.....
Matt paint on the VX would look ace, maybe Satin (although someone has said a satin finish can look like a **** gloss job)
turbojolt
07-11-08, 06:42 PM
yes, vauxhall and lotus touched it.....
Matt paint on the VX would look ace, maybe Satin (although someone has said a satin finish can look like a **** gloss job)
what like if you roller gloss on a door lol
I've rollered gloss on doors/steel frame work and its come out fine ;)
I also recently rollered some window frames/window sills as the paint brushes made it look gash.... looks lovely now (and thats satinwood lol)
turbojolt
07-11-08, 07:17 PM
I've rollered gloss on doors/steel frame work and its come out fine ;)
I also recently rollered some window frames/window sills as the paint brushes made it look gash.... looks lovely now (and thats satinwood lol)
how did you roller a sill how did you do the edges how did you get up close to the glass and the drip did you cut up close to the class with the roller also what about up close to the brick work
or did you use masking tape like a true diy hero
painted the glass then scraped the paint off with a knife ;) and the walls will be painted later to cover up the small bit caught on them.
Going to have a go at rollering the skirting boards tomorrow :D
Then onto the VX lmao
turbojolt
07-11-08, 07:23 PM
painted the glass then scraped the paint off with a knife ;) and the walls will be painted later to cover up the small bit caught on them.
Going to have a go at rollering the skirting boards tomorrow :D
Then onto the VX lmao
lmfao gloss work is a finish paint why would you do it first mate your doing the same bull crap they teach you in collage no disrespect meant here mate but it is not the proper way to do things im not top on cars but i know something about this and it just ain't right
you will get splatter marks all over your finished gloss work when you roller your room
from my own experience of painting the house, ive found its easier to paint the woodwork first then the walls.... wall paint being easy to wipe off as its all water based/light, where as gloss/satin stuff isnt as easy to get off (and masking tape is gay as you like). I like being cak handed if its "wrong" according to the "experts"
turbojolt
07-11-08, 07:59 PM
from my own experience of painting the house, ive found its easier to paint the woodwork first then the walls.... wall paint being easy to wipe off as its all water based/light, where as gloss/satin stuff isnt as easy to get off (and masking tape is gay as you like). I like being cak handed if its "wrong" according to the "experts"
im not having a pop mate just saying its not the professional way of doing it but if you find it easyer i have nothing wrong with it just don't like the posts before stating that it is the correct way for professionals to do it
what like if you roller gloss on a door lol
Tool.
turbojolt
07-11-08, 10:18 PM
Tool.
the tool i would recommend is a good quality brush there are many different opinions here so i will leave it up to you to choose but unlike some peoples comments
MAGIC dose not happen and give a professional finish when using a roller on woodwork altho it may give a better finish then a b&q brush and no experience when it comes to interior decorating
meh, I'm gonna have a go at rollering the vx.
turbojolt
07-11-08, 10:23 PM
meh, I'm gonna have a go at rollering the vx.
well good luck i cant wait to see the end product mate :thumb:
neither can I. the car is worthless as it stands anyway, and I'll never sell it so colour/type of paint is irrelevant
I painted a land rover with foam rollers, worked a treat :)
Worked a treat on my house doors too :)
I'm inclined to side with Mike :)
Mike FTW!
I'm gonna dig out that pic of mike "mincing" at Billing and replace the club he's holding with a roller!
lol
pmsl
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/danga/wpng08golf0010.jpg
what i dont get is how turbojolt is trying to sit there telling mike that what he does every day is wrong!! how can it? if it was he wouldnt have any work.
lol @ stu , you are a crazy boyo, will look forward to see the results
rednova
08-11-08, 04:15 PM
http://www.rickwrench.com/index79master.htm?http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html
there you go - step by step on roller painting - results look spot on to me for how much it costs!!!
might roller the corsa before i scrap it for a laugh lol
i was trying to find that rednova. does show the results possible
this is actually quite an informative/interesting thread - who'd of thought it lol
I've seen the $50 paint job site and also the VW 80/90 vans wikipedia thing.... Trouble is the paint they both use takes WEEKS to go off fully :(
Stu, plus they are in a hotter climate..
could take even longer over here, as it's colder, well 9/10 it's colder lol
the VW guys are in the UK but they do it in the summer.... when I use my car the most lol (although I do run mine year round 20K, but less use at the weekends in winter). http://wiki.80-90.co.uk/index.php/Body_work_and_glass_Roller_painting
2PAK from memory can have its "going off time" controlled by the type of hardner used?
^ use driers in the paint then. Well. saying that it may have an adverse effect with 2pak paint.
the VW guys are in the UK but they do it in the summer.... when I use my car the most lol (although I do run mine year round 20K, but less use at the weekends in winter). http://wiki.80-90.co.uk/index.php/Body_work_and_glass_Roller_painting
2PAK from memory can have its "going off time" controlled by the type of hardner used?
Using med thinners will give you say about 20mins before it will be dry of on the car..
Best to take the windows out tho...(that link they are leaving them in lazy funks)
ummmm my windows dont really come out ;)
20mins sounds good :D
Hmmm matt white, or that new fiesta pink..... tum tee tum
Welsh Dan
09-11-08, 10:31 AM
For you stuart, either fiesta pink or matt black so you can approach your prey undetected :p.
Dont use matt, go for satin finish,it looks much nicer. Then get a satin finished lacquar (guessing you can roll that on too) you might need a slow hander tho.
That way you can wash it and clean it like normal with out affecting the finish.
Some have said that a satin finish looks like a botched gloss effort... meh
Correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure enamel dries rock hard, and hard = brittle. So although it'll resist small stonechips very well, when it does get them will it not be pretty bad?
Some have said that a satin finish looks like a botched gloss effort... meh
Does it? Never seen it rollerd only painted, the finish on painted is very nice, and looks far far far better than matt, plus matt is a kunt to keep clean and thing.
use yacht laquer. its comes up very good. whe just did my mates golf mk1 with it (yellow) and it came out fine. it just needs a good polish now.
Does it? Never seen it rollerd only painted, the finish on painted is very nice, and looks far far far better than matt, plus matt is a kunt to keep clean and thing.
ahh cool... if it looks good sprayed then it will look fine rollered :D
apparently that enamel paint is fairly flexible.... if its applied thinly lol
LMFBO, just read the whole thread on this... And im sticking to my spray guns **** this roller paint malarky. Only thing stu is to take your time my son as to get a good finish the paint will have to flow out nicly so it will need to be thinish, 2:1 - 10 maybe 15% thinners. We used to use roller primer on stuff at work basically just 2k primer with activator once flatted down all is good. Just Dont get any snotters, orange peely can be flatted but its a lot harder to get rid of a snotter fully. Saying that, its only on the vx so just throw paint over it :D
Saying that, its only on the vx so just throw paint over it :D
Best advise so far :thumb:
lol at snotters - rollered my bonnet on me project with primer to get a wip and the snottery paint on the end was a real bugger! (or should than be booger) One reason why I'm buying an HVLP - seen a GRACO system for sale and comes highly recommended...
alright dan, if your going to be doing this then give me a shout, ill come and have a look, sounds intersting to me, lets face it, if its all the same colour then its a start, lol.
:thumb:
Exactly!! It's not like i can make it look any worse is it!
If the paint isn't going to dry at this time of year then i might just put a dado rail on it.
Right, i know i'm hoping this thread isn't so old as to get me in trouble for bumping, but i found this link (Through a post on mig web) and i think it ends this thread nicely. Turns out this stuff is avaliable in satin black so i will definatly be doing the van!!
http://wiki.80-90.co.uk/index.php/Body_work_and_glass_Roller_painting
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