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Ok, so as I've posted before, I've had my work hours cut down to 19 a week, not too bothered as I can sign on for the remainder and get a few quid that way. So I went to the dole office and got all the forms filled out a month ago. Was told to hand in special slips signed by the MD of my company to state how long I work a week. Grand, been dropping them in for a week with no payment or comment.
I piped up and asked whats happening, they said, "Oh, it'll be Jan before we can look at your case as theres such a back log". Oooooook, so its gonna be 3 mths before I know if I get a penny off them or not and until then, I'm stuck on 19hr a week wages!!!
So I contacted FAS, our Government funded recruitment and training centre that cover pretty much everything. Went to the reception and had a Large Ploish woman look down her nose to me and take my details.
So after 45 mins I got sent into a Guidence Counciler in an office, he's English and more or less told me with no hesitation to move to Norway as theres no work in Ireland.
Now, I'm not racist or anything of the sort, but for 2 foreigners to tell me in my Home Country that I should Emigrate kinda pissed me off slightly.
I think its time to buy a gun and head for the Hills.
I can see why youre upset by that one dod, tbh my response wouldve been in which case fcuk off and let me have your job then ya stuck up tw4t lol
I was kinda thinking, "you emigrate back to wherever you came from and free up a job for me".
I know thats blatent racism but wtf like? I've been in full time employment since I was 17, just finished school, paying taxes the whole time and when I do finially hit a rough spot, I'm stuck with all this bollox.
craig green
31-10-08, 12:18 PM
Tbh mate, having anything to do with the dole office/job centre or whatever it's called should be avoided at all costs.
When I lost my last job, I had to sign on for a couple weeks. Never needed to before & have never wanted to. I got treated like utter crap, the employees look down there noses at you, lecture you why you arent working etc....
Yet serial claimers that havent worked since the year (dot) get away with continuing to sign on indefinately.
Avoid the place if you can help it!
You seem to rub shoulders with the Scum of the day, people with Thousands in their pockets scrounging a few quid without any bother, and me being a Quantity Surveyer and hard worker stuck in the middle with the Dole people looking at me like I'm already on a decent wage and so why should I be in claiming. Er, because I'm entitled to it???
Its the worst feeling in the world standing in line with Wineos, polish, Druggies and tramps.
Unfortunately the law and government seem to favour the layabouts tbh, where i am its full of assylum seekers, now i myself am not racist in the least which im proud of.
But they all get living allowances, food tokens, grants for cars and the likes.
Ive only ever been out of work once and it broke my heart to sign on and become a dolebum, but it pissed me off due to them wandering around in the expensive clothes, flashing the cash and driving all manner of cars all over with no jobs in sight and clearly more spare money than ill ever have!
Did you know that women from parts of Africa can have their hair done costing possible €100+ and pay for it with their government issued Medical Cards, that are funded by full time employed people, all because its a "Religious" thing.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 12:25 PM
unlucky mate, thats rough :( go all robin hood and steal from the immigrants!
that also sucks about being told it from a polish woman and an englishman :( it would probably be worth writing about this to your local official/council worker, as although it may seem pointless if they take the case on they can fast track you, good luck mate and sorry to hear about that
craig green
31-10-08, 12:28 PM
My mate refuses to work, has been signing on & blagging incapacity benefit for years. He's 30, still lives with Mummy & Daddy & arrives to sign on in his M3 (now written off) or Clio 172 everyweek.
Gets my goat! Oh & he drives 12 miles to fill up with V-power in the next town!!!!!
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 12:29 PM
don't get on to the immigrantrs claiming money debate/rant, it does no good as everyone pipes in and gets riled up, the fact of the matter is if you dont speak english you can rape the government, no amount of ranting is going to stop it until political correctness has been lobbed out the window and the country makes its native inhabitants a priority and i don't think anyone can see that happening anytime soon, which is why when ive got enough money ive ****ing off to france (note:but before i go i will learn the language and law, because (and even though it pains me to say it the french can run a country and dont appear to accept foreigners f'ing about
no amount of ranting is going to stop it until political correctness has been lobbed out the window
I vote for this man for prime minister:thumb:
EDIT: Biting my tongue to remain tactful in my replies.
Ahh fcuk it mate if you wanna rant because youre pissed off then do so, you need to get it off your chest somewhere!
Na, I'm seriously pissed off, but dont want to rant about it anymore than I have or I'll start sounding like a complete dick.
But I'm not overreacting am I or is this all a bit ****ed up?
Na id definately say youre not over-reacting, its infuriating that you go out and work your ass off for years and years then when it comes down to something like this, the government who have been so keenly taking your taxes week in week out, month after month and theyre like oh well we have all this paperwork to do!
Meanwhile leaving you up **** creek without a paddle, so dont think for a minute youre over-reacting or sounding like a dick at all bud!
Cheers mate, greatly appreciated.
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 12:48 PM
You're not over-reacting at all! It's a complete disgrace, I'm another one that intends to get out of this country when I can afford too! :mad:
Yeah but I dont intend to go anywhere, this is my home place!
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 12:52 PM
And you shouldn't have too!!! That's why it makes me so mad, if I stay I get screwed over by the system, if I leave I've essentially been forced out of my own country due to people coming in :roll:
Its like something you'd hear on a WW2 Documentry isnt it?
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 12:58 PM
At least then you'd have a gun that you could legally use ;)
Pistol Pete
31-10-08, 01:09 PM
My mate refuses to work, has been signing on & blagging incapacity benefit for years. He's 30, still lives with Mummy & Daddy & arrives to sign on in his M3 (now written off) or Clio 172 everyweek.
Gets my goat! Oh & he drives 12 miles to fill up with V-power in the next town!!!!!
Its people like this tht bleed this country dry IMO. Scrounging numpty!
I can see whta your saying Dod, about the "foriegners". I dont know what it is like over there, but here they take alot of the jobs that some brits may feel is beneath them:roll: ! Office cleaning etc.
I cant help thinking that now, a job is a job, take it. But it is too late!
meritlover
31-10-08, 01:14 PM
You're not over-reacting at all! It's a complete disgrace, I'm another one that intends to get out of this country when I can afford too! :mad:
oh i see, so its unacceptable for people to come to this country to work but its ok for you to move to somewhere else and do exactly the same thing?:roll: :roll: lol lol
theres THOUSANDS of jobs out there for those who want to work. ok, maybe not the most ideal job for you in the world, but a jobs job, and they all have to pay the minimum wage.
its being too proud to sweep a floor or do a less 'glamourous' job that has got the UK into the problem its in now. people wont do the jobs..so in come the unskilled migrants...who soon work their way up and get a better job....and it could well be your job they end up taking.
I'm surrently a Quantity surveyer and I'd actually prefer a Shelf Stocking or floor sweeping job and yes there are plenty out there but the fact is I was told by someone that doesnt origionate from my Country, to Leave my Country as there arent any jobs for me here.
meritlover
31-10-08, 01:22 PM
thats the spirit Dod.
theres always work.
dont worry about the haters. you will pull through. together we will work our way out of the recession
I'm glad I've cleared that up, its a difficult point to put across without sounding like I'm being racist. But its a little mental in my eyes.
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 01:34 PM
oh i see, so its unacceptable for people to come to this country to work but its ok for you to move to somewhere else and do exactly the same thing?:roll: :roll: lol lol
I'm sorry if my point was a little vague, but that is not what I meant at all! I have no problem with a limited number of people being allowed into the country who will work and provide a service that in some (however small) way will make this country better. I DO have a problem with people who come here and sponge off our spineless government, that I amongst many others work hard and supply them with the cash, that they are now unable to give to the likes of Dod, due to having a 'backlog in the system'
I think my grammar is terrible there, but believe the point is valid.
DaveyLC
31-10-08, 01:40 PM
I just got a 4% payrise! woop woop..
<removed my rude inclusion of money>..
Didnt think I'd see a sausage this year as times are hard, but I've been working my fooking KNACKERS off!
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 01:42 PM
Christ! That's not a bad wage! Circa £32k after tax?
meritlover
31-10-08, 01:45 PM
so what is your argument?
considering we have already covered the fact that people in the UK are 'sponging' and falsely claiming when they are capeable of working.
are you saying that its ok as long as your not an immigrant, or its unacceptable in both cases, and its the 'spineless' government thats at fault?
i think the real issue is they wouldnt have been here in the first place at all, if people had worked to fill the jobs we've had vacant for the last 5-10 years.
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 01:50 PM
It's unacceptable in both cases, but inviting people in who have no intention of working is economical suicide. I'd say government is to blame, but I'm an engineer in the making, not a politician - so I may be talking rubbish.
DaveyLC
31-10-08, 01:52 PM
Christ! That's not a bad wage! Circa £##k after tax?
Around that.. In retrospect it was a bit rude of me to post a figure.. :tard:
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 01:52 PM
I can delete my response if you prefer.
meritlover
31-10-08, 01:54 PM
it was rude to mention a payrise of any sort when a man has started a thread explaining how he has been so let down by the current econnomic state and has lost his job in the process.
are you trying to gloat, and laugh at poor Mr Dods mis-fortune??
Well if he is, its Failed. I made more than that when I was full time.
But I do agree, it was a little uncalled for due to the nature of the thread.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:06 PM
and sorry mr merit, im with oli on this one, most countries limit the intake of immigrants, its controlled and the reason its controlled is to BENEFIT their country, they dont do it as a favour or gesture of goodwill?!
If new zealand or australia has a shortage of sparkies, they open to there doors to sparkies aged between 20-35 who are healthy and have no previous criminal records SO the country will benefit from a good healthy worker coming and helping the economy to grow whilst not commiting crime,
we let anybody in to come and do as they wish when they wish, i beleive that was Dhdevs point, so no mate, dont delete your response, but if you do move country, make an effort to learn there language and law, and live like they do
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 02:09 PM
The only response I was offering to remove was the response that included payrise details ;)
Ok lets not make an argument out of it lads, please? Its a valid thread that I'd prefer wasnt locked.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:11 PM
ahhh... well yes remove away then lol just thought id vouch for you on the other replies, no matter how these threads work out everyone is entitled to differant views, and everyone WILL have differant views down to there backgrounds really
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:13 PM
sorry dod
dhdev (Oli)
31-10-08, 02:14 PM
Sorry Dod :(
No problem dudes.
But I think its a disgrace the way things are.
Look at this argument completly different now i am an immagrant working in a different country,
The UK is just the same as the rest of europe, there is far more immagrants working and claiming here in Belguim than in the UK and they get much better money and perks too.
When i come home to the UK im shocked by how few foreigners i see.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:24 PM
...and everyone WILL have differant views down to there backgrounds really
have you ever spoken to a belgium person about it? if so, how do they feel, or do they get better treatment than the immigrant workers aswell?
The belgians i work with here love us being here as we do the sh!t they dont want to, also with all the others mostly are Turks and Morrocans that the Belgians give free visas to as they come and work.
The Belgians have a VERY different work ethic than us and are mostly onbly prepared to work 37.5 hs a week at a push. Which is why we are here, we do the backshifts and weekends as they dont want to and they think we are nuts because we will.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:36 PM
similar to how new zealand oz work, where they let people in to benefit the country, i suppose the way to look at that would be, if they didnt let you in, no more work would get done at weekends? if you know what i mean!
the uk could implement a similar ethic!? when we had this trade shortage a couple of years ago caused by maggie (i dont know anythign about that, so i dont mean to start a seperate debate) we could have just chosen to let in plumbers? instead we chose to let in plumbers and every other tradesman/manwomanchild, AND pump aload of cash into the trade education system which has now resulted in (almost the case with) LOADS of qualified british tradesman, and no work for them?
we try to solve problems too quickly and are far too impatient i think!
turbojolt
31-10-08, 02:43 PM
even with the recession there is still work out there for the like of plumbers and so on my brother has just landed him self a 19 pphr job 12 hrs a day doing plumbing in a prison the luck little sod is going to float through this recession and not even fell the dam thing
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:49 PM
for experienced tradesman yes tehre is, they are getting laid off by companies but in terms of individual work thats fine, but as for the classes and classes of 17/24 years olds that are finishing college qualifies OR (this was my case) looking for an apprenticeship there is non at all, so the work that is going around is fine for keeping steady, but in terms of growth its obviously just not happening, theres alot of lads that have just wasted 2/3years, and personally i dont think it needed to happen? well it shouldnt of happened
i was one of 60 lads at college, and i got an apprenticeship, thats after well over a year of trying to find one and being the nerd at college, my mate got a job to, the other 57 are now doing other things, that shouldnt of happened
turbojolt
31-10-08, 02:52 PM
sorry i forgot to add my brother is only 19 years old
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 02:54 PM
haha shot down mate shot down, well done to him though, i suppose someones got to get the jobs that are going!!
turbojolt
31-10-08, 03:00 PM
i know he was luck he got a plumbers mate job and got on with the guys he was working with so he is going on to the next job with them
if i was not trying for the fire brigade i would go do a plumbing job with him lol
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 03:01 PM
pff both use water, yours is just on a bigger scale lol
DaveyLC
31-10-08, 05:12 PM
Well if he is, its Failed. I made more than that when I was full time.
But I do agree, it was a little uncalled for due to the nature of the thread.
Wasnt a dig.. Just shows that some industries are still doing well and its not ALL doom and gloom, granted I do agree that the economy is shafted and I'm hanging onto my savings!
But its the reason I dont go contracting.. Can earn £80k+ but whats the point if I'm gonna be the first over-board when the sea gets choppy.. Some of my friends earn a DAMN sight more but they dont tend to be in secure job for more than 6 months at a time.
But its the reason I dont go contracting.. Can earn £80k+ but whats the point if I'm gonna be the first over-board when the sea gets choppy.. Some of my friends earn a DAMN sight more but they dont tend to be in secure job for more than 6 months at a time.
Contracting is good, espcially in times like these, if things get tight somewhere you just up sticks and move to more affluent place. One of the main reasons im doing it. There is work all over the world if you want to go and get it.
Tidy Max
31-10-08, 05:33 PM
maybe for your profession, but in electrian land (didnt know what to call my trade lol) contracts have been the first to get laid off, its only the less paid employess that are in contracts that have been safe so far!
Look I'm old enough to have heard the "bloody foreigners coming over here taking our jobs etc etc etc" junk from just about every ignorant self pitying berk I've ever come across. Lets be clear its a story as old as the hills and is, along with religious and ethnic differences, at the root of all racism no matter how you dress it up.
It's also a complete load of tosh and its really just about people feeling sorry for themselves and then lashing out at the percieved cause however ill thought out.
The UK and Ireland are places of opportunity. Anyone can make good - who cares if there are immigrants working here, or if there are benefit cheats. Do you think they are really any better off than you in the long run.
If you cant get where you want to go working for someone, move or set something up on your own. No-one says its easy but it can be done, so stop bellyaching and being negative and do something positive. Most of you are young with nothing to stop you. No one owes you anything and the sooner you realise that to be a winner in life you have to think like one the sooner you'll get to a better life.
No offence intended - just plain speaking of the truth
Look I'm old enough to have heard the "bloody foreigners coming over here taking our jobs etc etc etc" junk from just about every ignorant self pitying berk I've ever come across. Lets be clear its a story as old as the hills and is, along with religious and ethnic differences, at the root of all racism no matter how you dress it up.
It's also a complete load of tosh and its really just about people feeling sorry for themselves and then lashing out at the percieved cause however ill thought out.
The UK and Ireland are places of opportunity. Anyone can make good - who cares if there are immigrants working here, or if there are benefit cheats. Do you think they are really any better off than you in the long run.
If you cant get where you want to go working for someone, move or set something up on your own. No-one says its easy but it can be done, so stop bellyaching and being negative and do something positive. Most of you are young with nothing to stop you. No one owes you anything and the sooner you realise that to be a winner in life you have to think like one the sooner you'll get to a better life.
No offence intended - just plain speaking of the truth
I agree, No truer word has been said.
tbh i'm with CP on this one..
at my work they have cut the steel making down by well over half, usaly run 3 vessels, now were only one, its quiet as hell at work its like working a night shift lol
evry1 running around worring about there jobs, me? nah i'm not coz i do the **** job jobs that ppl dont wanna do.. i work on Corus(steel works) but i dont work for corus, i work for a Cleaning company, and tbh with out us, the plants wouldnt run, we clean all the spillages up, all this Kish(metal particals) its not a nice job at all but its a job, and it pays the bills thats all that matters tbh.. its a job. and its a job for life(wel luntil i ge tmy **** into gear to do my welding course and finish it this time).
what i'm trying to say is, why bother trying to get a top name job, just go for the little ones till the storm blows over.. just get out there with C.Vs give them to everyone..
doesnt matter how many..
all my mates conmplain about been stuck in college gettin £30 a week and having a evening/weekend job, id rather be there then were i am atm..
you just gota take the good with the bad.
I'm not disputing anything you've said CP, I'm just blowing off a little steam as Foreigners have told me to leave my own Country as opposed to helping me find help and work in it.
Theres nothing Racist about it, its just Ironic. I will find another job, and I wont be in bother finiancially for long but for the time being I'd like to point out how ****ed it all is.
I've explained on numerious occations throughout this thread that its not aimed as a rasist hate thread or anything of the sort. Its to highlight the Ironic and moronic manor in which Ireland is run, I'm just sorry you couldnt see that.
The benifits thing really annoys me.
Instead of giving away money for free why arn't they made to work for it (if they are able)? They could be put to work improving the city by doing small jobs and then they get their dole money.
It would be good practice at 'doing a job' as well.
Sorry to hear your situation Dod there is alot of people having their hours cut or getting laid off. It's not nice times in that respect.
Cheers Dar.
The whole system is a little ****ed up, as mentioned there are drug dealers and general Dodgy ****s collecting their €209 a week with their pockets full of money and driving new cars or Jeeps. Why arent they caught? All my working life I've been giving them pocket money when they dont even need it.
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