Group Buy - Rose Jointed Steering Arms (track rod end replacements)

[trackdaynova]

Hi All,

Not sure if there are any rules on group-buys etc, but I'll roll with it anyway, and if I need to ask anyone, or put it somewhere different then so be it.

I am doing a group buy on Rose Jointed Steering Arms, which are basically a direct replacement for your track rod ends, but better.

The benefit of these, are that if you run your car low, doesn't matter how low, and experience slight or dramtic bumpsteer from your steering arms not being horizontal (ie: going up towards the outside the car).

So with these, you can run your rosejointed steering arms BELOW your hub carrier, and are totally adjustable so you can set the height exactly as you want it, thus keeping your arms horizontal to maintain excellent handling.

This is the best option you could possibly have, better than inverted hubs to make your trackrod ends going up instead of down, because again - you will have the ability to alter the plunge angle.

These are obviously available for Novas, Corsas and Tigras.

The price, should we get 11 or more people, is £80 delivered to your door for the pair, including the rosejoints themselves.

Here is a photos of exactly what you'll get for your money

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc1092.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc1093.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc1094.jpg

All you will need to alter on your actual hub carrier, is to get the hole drilled out, as currently it has a tapered insert in it, and obviously it needs to be the same bore all the way down for the bolt to pass through, to ensure there is no play.

A must for any track car imo :thumb:

Any questions please ask below, alternatively please start a list for those that are intersted.

Thanks for reading

Olly

[Rick Draper]

Rick Draper 1 pair.

[corsakid]

i am interested

1) rick
2)kristan
3)gary (my brother)

[trackdaynova]

Just to add:
All the arms are made from stainless steel so they wont rust if its a show car, the bearings are of a high quality with a 28,000lb loading spherical joint!


1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid (Kristan)

[Pistol Pete]

This may sound stupid, any chance of a pic fitted?! Just trying to picture how they will fit, lol. Thanks.

[novashed]

looked into these 2 1/2 yrs ago, thats a good price you have sourced!!

[Pistol Pete]

Screwing onto the steering arm part i understand. Once i have drilled out the hub carrier, what holds the bolt/RJ in place? The diameter of the collars and the bolt head look the same so what stops it falling through?! But yeah some pics would be great. Thanks. I am certainly interested, especially at that price!

[game1]

put me down for a set :thumb:

[NovaGuy1400SRi]

Would it not be easier to use female rose joints?

Or is there a specific reason for using the adaptor and male rose joints?

[krobinson]

I'm provisionally interested. Put me down as an 80% maybe.

[NovaGuy1400SRi]

Ah, just spotted the reason, left hand threaded rose joints! save unbolting from the hub.

[rallycraig]

im interested, where in the midlands are you??

[trackdaynova]

Pete - ahhh I see your confusion, they're not collars, they're the spacers so you can choose what height you want them at... that should clear up what you were unsure off the first time around.

You only drill out your current hole as big as the thread on the bolt, which I can find out ASAP :)

game1 - add your name by copying & pasting the list please pal

NovaGuy - this is exactly what they run on the WRC and Works cars, and the "sleeve" makes it a left hand thread which retains full adjustability on the car itself.

I am located in Leicestershire, but collection isn't and option as I'm not holding stock of these

[Count Vaux Alot]

I'm game lover boy!

[Count Vaux Alot]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig (possibly)
6) The Count

[trackdaynova]

NovaGuy - just to confirm its generally impossible to find one with a long enough shank that has the bearing end big enough with the correct threaded end for the steering arm.

Their use is also derived from competition in motorsport environments where carrying spare bearings in a standard form is cheaper and easier than holding 'specials' designed for purpose. :thumb:

[The Simps]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig (possibly)
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)


I know I'm being thick here but surely the bolts needs to be longer or do you only run one of the spacers?

[trackdaynova]

Nah you're not being thick mate, those black things up against the RJ's are compressable rubber dust seals, which I actually bought seperately, so they compress to 'next to nothing', and expand over the whole RJ face, if you get me...

Therefore, if you run both spacers, say, under the hub carrier, and above the RJ (ie: mega low) you'd still have plenty of thread poking thru pasted the nylock nut :thumb:

[The Simps]

That makes more sense now!

These seem a much better option than raising the rack like I was and probably cheaper!

What are the payment options?

[trackdaynova]

Paypal (add 3.9%)
Cheque
Bank Transfer could also be an option

:)

[The Simps]

Cool, cheers.

[rallycraig]

put me down for a set for definate please.

[tony k]

will these be ok for road use at all,just wann make sure,if they are ok then put me down for some

[tom_beverley]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)

[boffer8]

when do you think you will be getting these?

[Pistol Pete]

Is there any chance of getting a pic Olly? Just for stupid me, lol!!

[loggyboy]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)

[corsakid]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid x2 pairs
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)

[Dar]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar

[adam c]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12)adam c(possibly)

[Adam]

Im on CS, if you want me put details up there

[Pistol Pete]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12)adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly) got any fitted pics yet?

[The Simps]

Obviously we need out possiblies, to turn into definates first though :thumb:


I'm the same as Loggyboy really. All depends on my wage packet and when you need payment. But 100% interested!

[djbrowney]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12)adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly) got any fitted pics yet?
14)djbrowney

olly if your a pod at the weekend will give you the wonga cheers

[Pistol Pete]

I'm 90% interested but want to see them fitted really! If youcan post some pics up when you get them fitted that ould be great. Ill try and link this over on MIG aswell.

EDIT: cant get on MIG for some reason :confused: will try later...

[Pistol Pete]

Fitting to steering arms isnt the issue mate! I'm trying to picture how they fit, in my head but failing lol I'll take a set anyway i'm sure someone will have theres fitted before me so can look at how they fit then lol Cheers anyway!

[mike-turbo]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12)adam c(possibly)
13)mike-turbo

[Pistol Pete]

You copy and pasted the wrong list...

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12)adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14)djbrowney
15)mike-turbo

[trackdaynova]

Pete, sorry to hear about your head failage, I've done a very poor photoshop drawing thing, just to show you what goes where, and what it involved.

I can't really make it much clearer, until I have fitted my set, which will be within the next week

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/RJTREs.jpg

[Pistol Pete]

lol, cracking pic mate! That does help though. I was confused by the allen head bolt, thinking once the hub carrier had been modded, the bolt head would be the same diameter as the whole, d'oh!! lol But now i seee Thanks again.

Oh, and link to this is now up on MIG.

[mulletor]

put me on the list please. what do you think the purchase date will be.

[trackdaynova]

Well by the looks of the amazing responce we've had - possibly within the next week.

But we need the possibilities to be definates before any money exchanges hands etc :)

[tony k]

me too matey

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat

[djbrowney]

has any one put this up on jov :thumb:

[djbrowney]

is it actually gonna make it any cheaper if there are more people ?

[trackdaynova]

I've asked the question, but I still want to take into account the 20% drop outs that you usually get when you do group buys, as we've all experienced!

[djbrowney]

know what you mean !
how many more definates do we have to get to get them any cheaper, will probaly be the deciding factor weather people wonna hold out for more buyers !

[novashed]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)

[t45_ste]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)

[gh227]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227

[big phil]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil

[Pistol Pete]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil
22)donvaux (MIG)
23) RJM (MIG)

[Ash]

Will there be another round of these? If not I'm on the list too.

[BIGS]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil
22)donvaux (MIG)
23) RJM (MIG)
24) BIGS

[loggyboy]

Any chance of further group discount with this much interest? If these went down nearer to £60 id buy them now.

Savings could be made with group postage to people who are local to each other?

[BIGS]

Well i can post my payment now if it helps atall :confused:

[The Simps]

Don't order them until all money is in mate. Simple. Or don't until until you've at least got 11.

[Pistol Pete]

2 names added from MIG. Will these only fit Nova/Corsa/Tigras? Lad wants some for his Vectra.

[spanishfly]

Why do you need them? My steering arms have no plays in them whatsoever. The ride height my car sits at now means the arms are level anyhow. There is nothing to be gained by a lower COG unless your modifying the suspension mounting points (like the rear off my car). My front setup uses standard height turrets so the only way I could get the car to sit really low (and have the need for these) would be by using a very short springs and have hardly any damper travel (not good). On my rear with 9" springs my coilover platform is an inch from the top, this means I have full travel on the damper.
Can someone explain why there needed apart from the above scenario? Before someone states 'race cars like BTCC cars use them', they are also on modified mounting points, that damper and springs are still full size just mounted higher up.

[trackdaynova]

No one has stated anything about "needing them", and nothing has been mentioned in regards to whether you're current arms have play in them... :)

Further more, whose mentioned lowering the COG on this for sale/ group buy thread? I think you've posted a wrong reply, as that should be in my WIP I think?

As for your arms being level Rob, they come level from factory iirc, so you must be running a standard Nova ride height? because if your has been lowered at all, then your rack will be lower than standard, accompanied by you adding bigger wheels from factory (15s instead of 13s) then your hub mounting point (read: TRE) will be higher.

So if your car / rack has moved down/ lowered, and your hubs have moved up (bigger wheels) - then well done for maintaining the level steering arms :) Unless I'm mistaken?

Anyhow, this isn't only for track cars only, its for anyone. If you experience any kind of bumpsteer, due to your arms not being at the correct angle, this will eliminate this.

As stated in my original post


The benefit of these, are that if you run your car low, doesn't matter how low, and experience slight or dramtic bumpsteer from your steering arms not being horizontal

[The Simps]

+ low is cool. especially on loons :D

[darcy]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil
22)donvaux (MIG)
23) RJM (MIG)
24) BIGS
25) DARCY

[spanishfly]

These have been marketed for 'lowered cars/track cars'. Forgive me for putting two and two together, I forgot most people lower there car for 'looks'.

Look at a standard nova (like the 1.0), you find the standard steering arms actually drop down from the rack slightly. When I said my arms were straight, I should of put '-ish' at the end. There is no more than 10 deg (I haven't measured so over compensated to save future arguements). I have included a pic, be it without the complete engine in (block in), the springs hardly compress with the engine in as there the correct poundage for the engine.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7184/firedamagerepairs055rb1.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firedamagerepairs055rb1.jpg)http://img135.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)


I must agree though on a stupidly low car they will be good, but if the car is that low how much suspension travel is left, or more to the point how much damping can the dampers do?

[spanishfly]

Also see the 'spacer' surely thats needed it on any setup so the joint can move? Or is there already a lip?

[lee303]

i asked this on the mig thread but was told to ask here instead, so...
how big diameter are the bolts that are going to pass through the knuckle? will an insert be needed for the knuckle to take up the slack on the bolt once drilled out?

[The Simps]

i asked this on the mig thread but was told to ask here instead, so...
how big diameter are the bolts that are going to pass through the knuckle? will an insert be needed for the knuckle to take up the slack on the bolt once drilled out?


not sure on exact size but somewhere in the thread it did say it needs to be a tight fit once drilled so I'm guessing its the same width as the top of the taper?

[Southie]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil
22)donvaux (MIG)
23) RJM (MIG)
24) BIGS
25) DARCY
26) NOVABIKECARBED (do we get more discount if spanishfly gets a set) lol

[spanishfly]

Simps, of course it'll have to be a tight fit. That bolt will have to be a min of the diameter as the largest parts of the std TRE.

[Adam]

If it wasn't tight youd have play in the track rod end. So aye it'll have to tight, somehow.

[spanishfly]

And you wouldn't wanna rely on tightening it very tight.

[Jonlem]

I feel the benefit is actually having the adjustment in changing the position of the TRE, the fact it is rose jointed is of little issue as it can only move where a normal TRE would, you can however and the kit is designed and used in motorsport applications so that you use different side spacers on the fixing for potentially different events that require the car to be run at different heights.

The fact you can set the steering arms straight to help against bump steer is quite simply what this group buy is for, nothing else, I am sure anyone who competes with a nova would already have something very similar or appreciate that if you change the height of the car that the steering arm angles will change and thus effect the handling a little. It depends what you want from a car really, in some peoples cases its small adjustments like these do, when you have gone the full hog like Olz, Ben, Lee and Spanish have then having as much adjustment as possible is perfect, ofcourse the key is knowing what works but having so much adjustment can only help you towards getting the handling your looking for.

If the TRE is designed to run without a insert then I cant see a issue, if they are I'd imagine they would come supplied with the kit.

apologies for any typos or grammar mistakes, i'm on here using a 2" screen lol

[spanishfly]

Agree with what you say there Jon, but as my pic of my rack shows at the ride height I run I don't seem to have a problem with excessive steering arm angle. Maybe i'm lucky or my car is bent?

[matthew172]

well i cant honestly see how the bolt is going to be a tight enough fit through the knuckle without it being a tapered fit like the originals are, sureley it would eventually start elongating it/becoming worn

[spanishfly]

well i cant honestly see how the bolt is going to be a tight enough fit through the knuckle without it being a tapered fit like the originals are, sureley it would eventually start elongating it/becoming worn

I agree there matey.

Also didn't Rick Draper have a problem inverting his TRE?

[auzzy-b]

Am i missing something here..surely you can turn the original track rod end upsidedown:confused:

[lee303]

thats actually fairly tricky to do, as you need to drill the hub out, then fit an insert and redrill the taper the wrong way round
any gen on what size the bolts through the joint are?

[Count Vaux Alot]

its tapered.....

[peester]

1) Rick Draper
2) corsakid
3) game1
4) krobinson (possibly)
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
9) Loggyboy (Dave) (possibly - depending on cash flow at time of purchase!)
10) corsakid
11) Dar
12) adam c(possibly)
13) Pete_58 (possibly)
14) djbrowney
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)
20) gh227
21)big phil
22)donvaux (MIG)
23) RJM (MIG)
24) BIGS
25) DARCY
26) NOVABIKECARBED (do we get more discount if spanishfly gets a set) lol
27) Peester

[auzzy-b]

I agree after the amount of agro it would take to do that theese would be better off,:thumb: and look cool too!!!

[Pistol Pete]

i asked this on the mig thread but was told to ask here instead, so...
how big diameter are the bolts that are going to pass through the knuckle? will an insert be needed for the knuckle to take up the slack on the bolt once drilled out?

This is because Olly set up the group buy and i felt would be able to answer your question better. I didnt want to risk you being given wrong information.:) Hope that clears that up for you.

[The Simps]

Could you not tap a thread until the knuckle?

[trackdaynova]

Been away this evening hence no replies.

I've currently received 5 Paypal payments, thanks very much to those, and also 4 people sending cheques, which will obviously have to clear etc before anything is sent out.

The reason why these are better than inverted hub carriers, is simply because Jonboy had some made, drilled out, and a new tapered insert put in upside down, to accept an OE TRE upside down and it cost the best part of £70 anyway, then you're still using OE trackrod ends, and you have no adjustability should you want to raise it a little, or drop it.

As for Rick Draper having problems, I wasn't aware of this, I actually didn't think his car did many road miles/ track miles to actually state whether they were good or not.

Lee - as you know, its entirely upto you whether you want to have a thin sleeve made and the hole made a little bigger in the hub carrier for the bolt to pass through, alternatively get hole drilled to match the size of the bolt itself, like the RJ is. Just like our tiebars are done, they're not sleaved yet a bolt passes through metal, and tightened tight tight, thus clamping the RJ.

Please let me re-iterate something, I am not twisting anyones arms to buy these, so if you like the idea, you can see the benefits, great, buy some, if you don't, then don't buy any. Simple. :)

[Ash]

Will there be another round of these? If not I'm on the list too.

*Achoo* :)

I can see the point about the lack of tapered edge, but thats something I can resolve myself. With a laterial force I wouldn't want to trust just the clamp of a nut and bolt, even if it is a couple mm or less.

[novashed]

RJ's are used in all forms of motorsportunder loads more stress than a nova is ever going to put it through, this application is fine in my view, and far superior than some motorfactor cheap steering rod end lol, like ols said there has been no pushyness here, just a good solution for along standing dilemnamany a lowered nova owner has had.

p.s still convincing the missus, getting there.

[loggyboy]

I'l be up for the 2nd round of production. Im tempted to by a few sets and ebay them as I reckon they fly off the shelves.

[lee303]

i have no concept of pushiness here, i was just asking, as i would like to know, its not really 'up to me' if i have the thing sleeved, that should be part of the kit if needed imo, if the bolt is an M10 then you will need to have the thing sleeved, as the hub is 12mm minimum diameter once drilled, on the r/j's i use i have inserts that fit inside the joint to clamp the ball using an m10 bolt which is a tight fit through the insert
but the pics here look like the spacers are just that, spacers, not inserted into the r/j at all, which is why i ask, if the bolt is m12 then no issues at all, but it would need to be a shanked bolt where it passes through the hub
no issues not having a taper either imo, a decent locknut like a 'k' nut would be on my list though, rather than a nylock
again, i feel i need to reassure that i'm not having a pop, but think people should be able to ask before they buy:thumb:

[trackdaynova]

Ahhh, gotcha now :thumb:

The hex-head bolt that passes through the hub carrier is an M12 bolt, and is also plain shanked, so where it passes through the hub there are no threads.

For those people who have purchased a set, or intersted in doing so. I do feel obliged to say to please take your hubs to a machinist to get flat drilled out on a pillar drill, to the correct size, rather than using a hand held drill yourself, with the incorrect drill size, or a crap one, and just opening it out expecting it to work. As we've spoke about, its crucial for the bolt hole to be very precise.

You are correct on the spacers, they are just spacers, not the inserted type that are used on the front tiebars ones (where they actually enter the lip of the ball from the RJ.

And of course you can ask before you buy, I welcome questions but just can't reply as soon as I would like to sometimes.

[lee303]

you'd want to drill undersize then ream it imo, as you cant actually drill a round hole with a hss drillbit(little know fact engineering fans) so not really a home job no

[loggyboy]

Is it possible to get some pics of it dismantled?

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

Any sets left please ring me on 07976 962483:)

[trackdaynova]

tonto the order hasn't gone in yet, and its first come first served. if you're interested add your name to the list please.

[Pistol Pete]

I'm going to pass this time round. I'm still waiting for this group buy of heated screens to get sorted so cant afford both. Sorry. Will hopefully be able to go in on the next lot, if there is another buy. Thanks.

[BIGS]

well my cheque is in the post

[Rick Draper]

As for Rick Draper having problems, I wasn't aware of this, I actually didn't think his car did many road miles/ track miles to actually state whether they were good or not.

Yep i inverted the track rods when i had the old engine in, drive was terrible, wandered around a lot while driving along the road and was generally pretty sonky to drive.

[trackdaynova]

UPDATED:

14) djbrowney - PAID
20) gh227 - PAID
21) big phil - PAID
22) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
23) RJM (MIG) - PAID
26) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID

3) game1 - payment in the post
11) Dar - cheque is in the post
24) BIGS - payment in the post
25) darcy - cheque is in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday
12) adam c - expecting payment on Friday

Awaiting payment from:
2) corsakid
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
10) corsakid
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat
27) Peester

Awaiting decision from:
4) krobinson (possibly)
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)


9) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
13) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy

[tony k]

UPDATED:

14) djbrowney - PAID
20) gh227 - PAID
21) big phil - PAID
22) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
23) RJM (MIG) - PAID
26) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID

3) game1 - payment in the post
11) Dar - cheque is in the post
24) BIGS - payment in the post
25) darcy - cheque is in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday
12) adam c - expecting payment on Friday

Awaiting payment from:
2) corsakid
5) rallycraig
6) The Count
10) corsakid
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
17) t`s novat (take me off please mate due to work circumstances)
27) Peester

Awaiting decision from:
4) krobinson (possibly)
7) Simps (possibly)
8) tom_beverley (possibly)
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)
19)t45_ste (possibly, will know by saturday)


9) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
13) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy

cheers

[trackdaynova]

UPDATED:

11) Dar - cheque received
14) djbrowney - PAID
20) gh227 - PAID
21) big phil - PAID
22) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
23) RJM (MIG) - PAID
26) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
5) rallycraig - PAID


24) BIGS - payment in the post
25) darcy - cheque is in the post
10) corsakid - cheque in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday
12) adam c - expecting payment on Friday


Awaiting payment from:
6) The Count
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor


Awaiting decision from:
4) krobinson (possibly)
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)


Possibilities for next group buy
7) Simps - waiting for next group buy
8) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
9) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
13) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
19)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
27) Peester - waiting for next group buy

[The Simps]

I've been relegated :(
lol

[corsakid]

payment sent today

[Ash]

11) Dar - cheque received
14) djbrowney - PAID
20) gh227 - PAID
21) big phil - PAID
22) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
23) RJM (MIG) - PAID
26) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
5) rallycraig - PAID


24) BIGS - payment in the post
25) darcy - cheque is in the post
10) corsakid - cheque in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday
12) adam c - expecting payment on Friday


Awaiting payment from:
6) The Count
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor


Awaiting decision from:
4) krobinson (possibly)
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)


Possibilities for next group buy
7) Simps - waiting for next group buy
8) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
9) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
13) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
19)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
27) Peester - waiting for next group buy
28) Ash - waiting for next group buy

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

11) Dar - cheque received
14) djbrowney - PAID
20) gh227 - PAID
21) big phil - PAID
22) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
23) RJM (MIG) - PAID
26) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
5) rallycraig - PAID


24) BIGS - payment in the post
25) darcy - cheque is in the post
10) corsakid - cheque in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday
12) adam c - expecting payment on Friday


Awaiting payment from:
6) The Count
15) mike-turbo
16) mulletor
tonto100

Awaiting decision from:
4) krobinson (possibly)
18) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)


Possibilities for next group buy
7) Simps - waiting for next group buy
8) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
9) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
13) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
19)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
27) Peester - waiting for next group buy
28) Ash - waiting for next group buy

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

added name to list to whom I send the payment to please:)

[novashed]

will know by 2moz, under the thumb indeed, probably right lol

[novashed]

you could but shes working away atmo, back 2moz lol

[mulletor]

i just payed .

[adam c]

im sorry but im going to have to drop out for the time being:( if there is another group buy in a couple of month i'll get a set ordered then.

[Southie]

im sorry but im going to have to drop out for the time being:( if there is another group buy in a couple of month i'll get a set ordered then.

nooooooo :cry:

[trackdaynova]

1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) Dar - cheque received - waiting to clear
10) BIGS - cheque received - waiting to clear

1) darcy - cheque is in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post
3) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday

Awaiting payment from:
1) The Count
2) mike-turbo
3) tonto100

Awaiting decision from:
1) novashed (possibly, need to convince sophie)

Possibilities for next group buy
1) Simps - waiting for next group buy
2) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
3) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
4) adam c - waiting for next group buy
5) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
6)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
7) Peester - waiting for next group buy
8) Ash - waiting for next group buy
9) krobinson - waiting for next group buy

[trackdaynova]

FYI everyone in the group buy.

The bolt supplied is NOT M12, it is 1/2inch, therefore the shank measures 12.65mm. To ensure you have the hole drilled the correct size - simply give the machine shop your hub, and bolt, and tell them it needs to fit snug :thumb:

[Southie]

FYI everyone in the group buy.

The bolt supplied is NOT M12, it is 1/2inch, therefore the shank measures 12.65mm. To ensure you have the hole drilled the correct size - simply give the machine shop your hub, and bolt, and tell them it needs to fit snug :thumb:

Taken note :)

[novashed]

im gonna have to drop out too, boo!!ew compressor motor more important purchase.

[trackdaynova]

1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) Dar - cheque received - waiting to clear
10) BIGS - cheque received - waiting to clear

1) darcy - cheque is in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post
3) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday

Awaiting payment from:
1) The Count
2) mike-turbo
3) tonto100

Possibilities for next group buy
1) Simps - waiting for next group buy
2) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
3) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
4) adam c - waiting for next group buy
5) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
6)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
7) Peester - waiting for next group buy
8) Ash - waiting for next group buy
9) krobinson - waiting for next group buy
10) novashed - waiting for next group buy

[trackdaynova]

We now have the 11 fully paid to enable the group buy to go ahead.

Just waiting on 2 cheques to clear, and I'm going to give until Tuesday for those people that have apparently sent their payment (slowest postal service ever, obviously), and for those people who I'm still awaiting payment from.

As it's not really fair on those people that have paid at the beginning to keep waiting for their goods, just because some other people are dragging heels!


1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) TheCount - PAID
10) Dar - cheque received - waiting to clear
11) BIGS - cheque received - waiting to clear

1) darcy - cheque is in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post
3) corsakid - cheque in the post

1) Rick Draper - expecting payment on Friday

Awaiting payment from:
2) mike-turbo
3) tonto100

Possibilities for next group buy
1) Simps - waiting for next group buy
2) tom_beverley - waiting for next group buy
3) Loggyboy - waiting for next group buy
4) adam c - waiting for next group buy
5) Pete_58 - waiting for next group buy
6)t45_ste - waiting for next group buy
7) Peester - waiting for next group buy
8) Ash - waiting for next group buy
9) krobinson - waiting for next group buy
10) novashed - waiting for next group buy

[K220MMP]

could you put me in for the next group buy.

cheers

[mike-turbo]

:thumb: payment sent (paypal)

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

Payment sent by Paypal:thumb:

[trackdaynova]

Thank you for your payment guys :thumb:

1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) TheCount - PAID
10) mike-turbo - PAID
11) tonto100 - PAID
12) Dar - cheque received - waiting to clear
13) BIGS - cheque received - waiting to clear

1) darcy - cheque is in the post
2) corsakid - cheque in the post

[gh227]

How long do you think it will take them to make and send out once all the money is in?

[trackdaynova]

Once the order goes in - and funds have cleared, you will have them within 2 days I should think, three at the most. :thumb:

[trackdaynova]

1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) TheCount - PAID
10) mike-turbo - PAID
11) tonto100 - PAID
12) darcy - PAID
13) Dar - cheque received - waiting to clear
14) BIGS - cheque received - waiting to clear

1) corsakid - still awaiting payment

[Mike]

Just a question, but.....

Why didnt you use a pair of female Rosejoints, some nylok nuts, pair of allen bolts, couple of spacers. Total cost: approx £30 per pair.

[trackdaynova]

1. Because they don't make rosejoints big or strong enough to be a replacement for a track rod end, with weedy threads like what are on Nova steering arms.

2. £30 for a pair you say? is that with the nylock nuts, allen bolts, spacers etc? lol says it all really, as important as they are, I wouldn't want to be skimping on fudge rosejoints @ £10 each or there abouts as you've worked out :)

[Mike]

1. Because they don't make rosejoints big or strong enough to be a replacement for a track rod end, with weedy threads like what are on Nova steering arms.

2. £30 for a pair you say? is that with the nylock nuts, allen bolts, spacers etc? lol says it all really, as important as they are, I wouldn't want to be skimping on fudge rosejoints @ £10 each or there abouts as you've worked out :)

Price is direct from Hughs & Holmes Engineering stockist's cheif. Was just wondering thats all as the kit youve got up seems just a tad overpriced for what it is really. Nylock nuts are like 20p each BTW, washers about 2p! lol

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

Thought the order was going in after 11 people?;)

[trackdaynova]

It was, but then I had cheques in the post for the other people - so I wouldn't have wanted them to miss out, not exactly fair I didn't think :confused:

In fact, it's a good job it didn't go in after 11, else you wouldn't have got any lol

[corsakid]

payment sent today mate after the cheque failed to arrive when it does arrive can dispose of it.
i have sent cash special delivery delivered befotre noon tomorrow

tracking number is sj 6346 3199 1gb

[corsakid]

did money arrive?

[trackdaynova]

All monies have been paid, and the order shall go in first thing tomorrow morning :thumb:

Thanks everyone for prompt payments :)

1) djbrowney - PAID
2) mulletor - PAID
3) gh227 - PAID
4) big phil - PAID
5) donvaux (MIG) - PAID
6) RJM (MIG) - PAID
7) NOVABIKECARBED - PAID
8) rallycraig - PAID
9) TheCount - PAID
10) mike-turbo - PAID
11) tonto100 - PAID
12) darcy - PAID
13) Dar - PAID
14) BIGS - PAID
15) corsakid - PAID

[mulletor]

did payment go to the guy today and how long roughly please before they will arrive in my hands

[trackdaynova]

Yes, you're correct, the payment did go to the guy yesterday.

He has informed me that they are being despatched today and tomorrow, all items are despatched via Royal Mail with their First Class Recorded Delivery which requires a signature, and will be left no where without one.

Would be appreciated if people could leave a reply saying they've been received.

Thanks

[trackdaynova]

Right lads, had confirmation that all 15sets have been sent out today First Class Recorded Delivery via Royal Mail, so they MUST be signed for.

I expect you will all get them tomorrow, but worst case scenario is Friday.

Many thanks to all of you for making this group buy a great success and fast turnaround, unlike some that never get sorted :thumb:

username - parcel tracking no:
RJM (MIG) - DV6144 0729 4GB
big phil - DV6144 0730 3GB
donvaux (MIG) - DV6144 0728 5GB
gh227 - DV6144 0727 7GB
NOVABIKECARBED - DV6144 0726 3GB
djbrowney - DV6144 0725 0GB
rallycraig - DV6144 0724 6GB
dar - DV6144 0600 2GB
mulletor - DV6144 0599 6GB
BIGS - DV6144 0598 2GB
mike-turbo - DV6144 0597 9GB
CountVauxAlot - DV6144 0732 5GB
tonto100 - DV6144 0596 5GB
darcy - DV6144 0731 7GB
corsakid - DV6144 0734 8GB

[djbrowney]

an thank you olly for being so organised and keeping us all informed of whats going, if only all group buy's went so well lol spot on fella as always :thumb:

[Southie]

an thank you olly for being so organised and keeping us all informed of whats going, if only all group buy's went so well lol spot on fella as always :thumb:

I'll second that :thumb:

Keep us informed of any other modifications you are thinking of making group goodies Ollie :)

[trackdaynova]

Already going to be doing uni-balls, which is a rosejointed replacement to the bottom ball joint, but they retail at £272 a pair lol they won't be that much, I can assure you.

[djbrowney]

Already going to be doing uni-balls, which is a rosejointed replacement to the bottom ball joint, but they retail at £272 a pair lol they won't be that much, I can assure you.

as i said before olly, am very intersted in these sooner rather than later car should be back on its wheels asap :thumb:

[corsakid]

+1 rep for olly for turning this group buy thing round so quickly cheers olly

[Count Vaux Alot]

Well done my friend :thumb: many good men have fallen trying to organise a group buy but you have done a top job in record time and deserve + rep and a sexual favour for your efforts!

I think i speak on behalf of ever one when i say thank you for bothering (were others wouldn't have ;)) to go out and sort the group buy from start to finish as it is a right logistical pain in the ass.....

THANKS :D :D :D

+ rep

[Southie]

Mine have just arrived :thumb:

Cheers again Ollie and thanks for the great communication with us all on this.
+1 Rep indeed :D

[Stuart]

Oliverrrrrrr If I can get you the thread pitch and RJ size for the gaymobiles TRE's can you obtain a good price on them?

[mulletor]

mine turned up today. nice 1 ollie
. also interested in the uniballs when ready. must be able to do them for less than £100???

[big phil]

mine arrived today, nice one olly

[djbrowney]

mine turned uptoday olly :thumb:

spot on mate :thumb:

[BIGS]

mine turned up today aswell

thanks bud for turning it around so fast and being organised

[MAYES MOTORSPORT]

Turned up today

[trackdaynova]

thanks for all the positive feedback people, i'm glad every has received them :thumb:

keep the comments coming as and when people receive them please.

thanks once again everyone :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

Mine would have been delivered if some one was here DOH!

[trackdaynova]

Oliverrrrrrr If I can get you the thread pitch and RJ size for the gaymobiles TRE's can you obtain a good price on them?Sorry Stu - just seen this.

Get me the thread size & pitch, and the TRE top end tapered size then I'll do some investigating for you.

xxx

[mike-turbo]

:thumb: got mine

[corsakid]

arrived safe and sound cheers

[darcy]

got mine, u could of cleaned the swarf off them!! seriously though, very nice work and a fast turn around, cheers

[rallycraig]

got mine

[gh227]

Mine have still not arrived yet. :(

[trackdaynova]

gh227 - go onto the Royal Mail website and use the code on the previous page of this thread to find out more information.

They were all sent out that day I said, all First Clas Recorded Delivery - so they MUST need a signature, unless they're sitting in your local Royal Mail depot :)

[trackdaynova]

I am now doing a second group-buy for those interested.

This thread is now closed, please ask new questions on the new thread.

Thank you.