View Full Version : wtf c20xe 192bhp with no bodies / carbs!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/192bhp-c20xe-redtop-out-of-corsa_W0QQitemZ290260949613QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m290260949613&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A7%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
It is possible, but the spec listed will be pushing it. What is the group N ecu spec? and the cam spec?
You can get 150bhp from the 1.6 8v with the standard inlet, and touring cars run 300bhp of a single throttle with a massive plenum chamber.
hybridturbo
16-09-08, 08:19 AM
Maybe he just bought the rights bits and took it to the right people :cool:
RSTChris
16-09-08, 09:09 AM
Id guess its still slightly optimistic, impressive either way
Ah I can shed some light on this one. See the XE is Tuned which leaves it arounf 175-180 BHP but as its in a Corsa, it has to be closer to 200BHP.
Pistol Pete
16-09-08, 09:54 AM
He has certainly spent some money on it. Looks like he has receipts and a dyno printout. Trouble is you cant see the bits, so you have to take his word.
I think GRP N is just increased rev limit and overfueling... GRP N is notionally "standard" engine but with things like a free'er flowing exhaust, air filter and top end of blue print cams.
craig green
16-09-08, 01:42 PM
The South Africans got an XE in the Kadett super boss (tweaked GTE) with about 190bhp & a LSD IIRC, from the showroom.
GM knew how to get those numbers from the SFi inlet even if the tuners still can't.
are the 42h's mechanical or hydraulic profile as they do the 42h and the 420's??
enough money spent, but shame didnt have bodies on it
craig green
16-09-08, 02:00 PM
WRC exh manifold gasket has me chuckling.
When did GM use the XE/LET in WRC?
They did use the astra gte Craig, i never new this untill i bought a video on the years of the cavi in the btcc. and John Clealand said before the cavi they used the astra gte because of its good results in the ralling. if your intressted in watching the vid i can bring it along to the next meet?
perfectly possible imo.
Agreed... just because its not on throttle bodies doesnt mean it cant run good power, Just seen this all be it a better spec......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-RED-TOP-AUTOGRASS-RACE-ENGINE-RALLY-16V-235BHP_W0QQitemZ170261437842QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em170261437842&_trkparms=72%3A984%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C2 40%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Yea seen that one aswell Nick, was thinking to myself how ugly that filter looks
Maybe he just bought the rights bits and took it to the right people :cool:
the cams were dialed in by spamspeed motorsport
I wouldn't let him tune my lawnmower! The guy is a known muppet.
djshaggeh
16-09-08, 10:17 PM
^ Yeh he added me on msn and started going on about how much cheaper his insurence is on his LET corsa (the one above). I ended up blocking him after telling him I wouldnt pay to drive any corsa. Then he added me on facebook and I saw the photos of the XE so I laughed at him.
hybridturbo
16-09-08, 11:13 PM
lol Owned!
Stick to the crossflows and pintos lad
I wouldn't let him tune my lawnmower! The guy is a known muppet.
I was thinking that the guy selling it is in Tyne & Wear and Spamspeed in Iron Acton thats a hell of a drive for a very average tuner!
Never noticed that, wonder if anyone local knows him/it
lol its got to be a good 300miles +
Canny guess mate, I make it 292 ish from the outskirts of the 'toon'
Ben he was kicked out of Iron Action a long while ago and most people in the area know him. So moving away where he is not known must have been on the cards.
EDIT: Looks like he(Mr Spam) has moved to Stonehouse, Glos which is still a fair trot from the seller.
That makes sense actually Dar, i wondered who was working in Stonehouse as new tuning company setup up there lol.
craig green
18-09-08, 11:27 AM
They did use the astra gte Craig, i never new this untill i bought a video on the years of the cavi in the btcc. and John Clealand said before the cavi they used the astra gte because of its good results in the ralling. if your intressted in watching the vid i can bring it along to the next meet?
WRC is not BTCC. Massive difference. ;)
I know the GTE was initially used in touring cars against Sierra Cossies & M3's. Awesome sight.
WRC is not BTCC. Massive difference. ;)
I know the GTE was initially used in touring cars against Sierra Cossies & M3's. Awesome sight.i remember seeing a vid with a astra gte racing in btcc. was being driven by a female if i remember rightly aswell
craig green
18-09-08, 11:57 AM
You werent wrong.
Malcolm Wilson drove the Astra GTE's back then too, now head of FORD WRC team.
Werent the Cav Touring Cars based on GSIs? And Michelle Mounton(sp) drove the Astra GTE in the WRC. What a piolet she was as well.
craig green
18-09-08, 12:18 PM
The Cav's were indeed GSi's with the IRS. Later ones had the SRi bumpers when the GSi went out of production only leaving the turbo's as the range topping model.
The Swindon XE was at about 295bhp & the reversed cyl head was only done to try to combat heat soak from the engine bay & give a smoother exhaust route, not to gain a ram air effect which only happens at approx 130mph+, speeds rarely seen in BTCC. The XE was used in the first Vectra BTCC cars but the ecotec had to be brought in & the power wasnt as good despite the numbers.
WRC is 4wd, turbo charged rally class. The Astra was made in limited nos for Grp-A spec & was mainly rallied in Grp-N showroom class.
Coline Smith had a ex works cav btcc car not so long back.
lol @ coline
I have bought ex works BTCC bits from a guy who often gets full cars.
Interesting info on the reversed cylinder head Craig :)
One day... lol
Ask him about a Carbon Splitter for a Cav for me Liam. Pweeze.
craig green
18-09-08, 02:55 PM
Coline Smith had a ex works cav btcc car not so long back.
Theres a guy on MIG restoring one. The cage & suspension etc looks very modded/complex.
Funnily enough I was reading up on Swindons XE's only last night. :D
Ask him about a Carbon Splitter for a Cav for me Liam. Pweeze.
Just emailed him there mate, I am after some c/f rad ducting that I have spotted too :)
The Simps
18-09-08, 09:38 PM
my old XE had a fresh rebuild with Stage 3 Courtenay head, courtenay hi-torque cams, courtenay grp N chip and powercap. That made 173bhp 160lbft. So with more aggressive cams, verniers and better manifold its possible but was probably a fairly generous rolling road.
Theres a guy on MIG restoring one. The cage & suspension etc looks very modded/complex.
Funnily enough I was reading up on Swindons XE's only last night. :D
Is that the guy i bought the system off? he is putting a turbo lump into it and lives in summerset iirc
my old XE had a fresh rebuild with Stage 3 Courtenay head, courtenay hi-torque cams, courtenay grp N chip and powercap. That made 173bhp 160lbft. So with more aggressive cams, verniers and better manifold its possible but was probably a fairly generous rolling road.ive never rated coutenay stuff and that power figure shows why
The Simps
19-09-08, 08:41 AM
ive never rated coutenay stuff and that power figure shows why
You serious? Its a "realistic" figure not a Well Lane figure. The torque figure is higher than what some get on a basic TB setup and Courtenay have always been about the driveability aswell rather than just figures. The torque curve is lovely and when I fitted the chip it increased torque by 5lbft across 90% of the range, can't fault that on a fairly basic spec engine!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/RR-04-02-20051.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/RR-04-02-20052.jpg
dhdev (Oli)
19-09-08, 09:18 AM
ram air effect which only happens at approx 130mph+, speeds rarely seen in BTCC.
Not having a go at you personally Craig, but I see quotes like this all the time, utter rubbish. Ram air depends on the area of the ram pipe relative to the engine inlet as well as the air speed, you could get ram air at 30mph with a big enough funnel. As long as the flow of air into the ram pipe (area x velocity) is greater than the engine's cosumption of air, then you'll get a ram-air effect AFAIK.
loggyboy
19-09-08, 10:03 AM
Bak to the initial topic, its more than possible, some engines just go together well. Mines got a proven 143 at wheels (thats should equate to more than 170 at fly) and it only has a an airfilter and zorst.
As for the WRC comment I guess he is mistaking WRC for meaning rally car, forgetting that the WRC 'class' was not around in the the days when mk2 astras were rallied.
Is that the guy i bought the system off? he is putting a turbo lump into it and lives in summerset iirc
i believe it is dan, Naz has a cavalier BTCC car sat in his garage in frome. awesome piece of kit, the amount of work thats gone in to it is outstanding. we had a little look over it when we picked up Bigs system off him.
craig green
19-09-08, 01:53 PM
Not having a go at you personally Craig, but I see quotes like this all the time, utter rubbish. Ram air depends on the area of the ram pipe relative to the engine inlet as well as the air speed, you could get ram air at 30mph with a big enough funnel. As long as the flow of air into the ram pipe (area x velocity) is greater than the engine's cosumption of air, then you'll get a ram-air effect AFAIK.
I dare say you are right Oli, however that comment was from a member of staff at Swindon race engineering that was involved in the Cavaliers engine development. Hell I could even get you his name. And as for having a mild understanding in the subject I guess it all came down to the position & size of the Cav's grille in relation to the induction box on the TB's.
This thread has gone waaay off topic. :thumb:
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