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Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 02:37 PM
Right heres the problem...
I bought a car knowing it had no tax or MOT. It was a bargain (£100) anyway so wasnt fussed. Having done a few little tidy up jobs, i now know it will need welding before it will pass it MOT.
Obviously you can drive a car to an MOT if it is booked in without tax. My question is if i take it to my mates lock up so we can do the welding, if i get tugged were do i stand with regards to the law?
I have insurance on the car as of last friday BTW.
Thanks.
Not that it helps but here is the car (blatent pic whorelol )..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/festa01.jpg
Right heres the problem...
I bought a car knowing it had no tax or MOT. It was a bargain (£100) anyway so wasnt fussed. Having done a few little tidy up jobs, i now know it will need welding before it will pass it MOT.
Obviously you can drive a car to an MOT if it is booked in without tax. My question is if i take it to my mates lock up so we can do the welding, if i get tugged were do i stand with regards to the law?
I have insurance on the car as of last friday BTW.
Thanks.
You are only allowed to take it for MOT which is pre booked!
If you get pulled you'll get fined for driving with no tax and no mot, a vehicle which is un road worthy and no insurance if they'd like to be funny, because you are only legally covered for insurance if youre car has mot and tax.;)
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 02:48 PM
lol, hadnt thought of that. Fuuny though, matey at HIC didnt question that when i took out the policy. Must of assumed it was taxed and MOT'd.... but then i told him it wasnt as when he asked for the value i told him £100 because of the above??!!
Thats a bummer then. Looks like some mobile welding will be the order of the day... stupid driving laws:roll: ;) lol
DaveyLC
11-09-08, 02:50 PM
because you are only legally covered for insurance if youre car has mot and tax.;)
Not true..
Welsh Dan
11-09-08, 02:50 PM
Can you hire or borrow a trailer, or a lowloader/recovery truck with driver?
lol, hadnt thought of that. Fuuny though, matey at HIC didnt question that when i took out the policy. Must of assumed it was taxed and MOT'd.... but then i told him it wasnt as when he asked for the value i told him £100 because of the above??!!
Thats a bummer then. Looks like some mobile welding will be the order of the day... stupid driving laws:roll: ;) lol
Most insurance companies dont, because you are usually getting cover for a road worthy car (taxed and mot'd) and its your responsibility for both!!;)
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 02:51 PM
Ok... the plot thickens, lol! Oh i'm well aware its my responsibility jsut i'm in abit of a pickle now!! So what happens if you have a track car that is not used on the road. How would you insure that;) ??!!!
Your insirance is invalid on the road if driving without tax/mot
Itll cover you however for fire/theft from your property
General Baxter
11-09-08, 02:53 PM
Can you hire or borrow a trailer
doubt he will have BE on his licence
edit- ooo he might have :)
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 02:55 PM
Your insirance is invalid on the road if driving without tax/mot
Itll cover you however for fire/theft from your property
That was the main reason for insuring it TBH. Wasnt expecting to be driving it straight away. No doubt though, IF i were to claim they would use the lack of tax and MOT as a get out clause:roll: ??!!
probably, but if you stated that in the phone conversation then all should be well
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 02:56 PM
doubt he will have BE on his licence
edit- ooo he might have :)
Nope, A, B, B1, f, k and p. :(
Stoo, yeah made the point of telling him it wasnt taxed or MOT'd. When he asked the value i told him £100 (being a Ford an' all that;) !) he laughed, so i explained why.
Trailer it. The only (legal) way. Guess you will need to find another driver.
BTW loving the RS2K rims on it :)
if the weight of your trailer including nova is less than 85% of the weight of the towing vehicle, then you can legally tow it....
trouble is, that you need a quite heavy van or 4x4 to tow it with.......a decent trailer will weigh about 750kg & a nova will weigh about 800kg, so the tow vehicle needs to weigh about 1850kg
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 03:10 PM
Cheers.
Yeah i think a trailer may be the only option. Or piss the neighbours off and trip some switches and do it on my drive, lol!!
I a-framed a racing puma recently with a nissan terrano lwb. Unsure where i stood regarding the law tbh lol
Can't see you getting any hassle if it's not going far and you are using a trailer mate, just make sure you aren't using a Nova or something as the tow car lol
General Baxter
11-09-08, 03:37 PM
if the weight of your trailer including nova is less than 85% of the weight of the towing vehicle, then you can legally tow it....
trouble is, that you need a quite heavy van or 4x4 to tow it with.......a decent trailer will weigh about 750kg & a nova will weigh about 800kg, so the tow vehicle needs to weigh about 1850kg
Thats only for BE holders
its dont matter what weight, the trailer is NOT allowed over 750kg, no matter on how heavy the car is for B only
if what your saying is true, as i have BE and my car weights 3.45tons, i could tow a house? lol
General Baxter
11-09-08, 03:38 PM
I a-framed a racing puma recently with a nissan terrano lwb. Unsure where i stood regarding the law tbh lol
just gone throught this on another site, even if 1 wheel is touching the ground it has to be taxed, mot'd and insured :thumb:
just gone throught this on another site, even if 1 wheel is touching the ground it has to be taxed, mot'd and insured :thumb:
It wasn't even registered lol I knew I was being naughty but the traffic wombles didn't seem to mind :)
General Baxter
11-09-08, 03:41 PM
alltho you could cheat remove the front plate and put a trailer board over the rear lights and number plate of the car lol
Should have lol
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Con2K/Ford%20Racing%20Puma/?action=view¤t=DSC07135.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Con2K/Ford%20Racing%20Puma/?action=view¤t=DSC07135.jpg
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 03:45 PM
lol need to be abit clearer! ;) lol
olienova1
11-09-08, 04:08 PM
you can drive on trade plates though mate so if you can find someone with a pair use them! thats what we do at work and it is legal!!!!!!!!:thumb:
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 04:13 PM
Yes but if i get pulled, i'm not at work so to speak! See what your saying though.
its illegal if they are being used for a purpose outside the motor trade though !!
ie driving your mates car from place to place cos it isnt taxed or mot'd
when my nova was off the road (sorn'd) - had no tax, mot or insurance and my missus bolted a fixed arm tow bar on to it and towed it 10 miles to the garage where the welding was being done. It was then towed back 3 weeks later. Great big sign in the back window saying on tow with the towing cars plates on the rear. I sat in the towed car with seatbelt on steering. We even had a plod behind us for part the way and they didnt do anything.
TBH I've no idea if it was legal or not but I didnt get stopped.
Try asking at the local pplod station...
easiest bet is to either borrow a trailer, or as your local garage/recovery firm to transport it for a cash price
although i do agree.. £100 for a red xr2 is a mhassove steal lol :thumb:
Pete. If you still have my number give me a call as i will shift it for you useing my car and my car trailer.
Cheers
Chris.
just vaux trev
11-09-08, 04:51 PM
if only on 2 wheels is it not clased as a tractor unit i.e trailer
just sold my xr2i 16v looked exact but in white with brown spots lol
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 05:01 PM
PM replied to Ernie. Thanks.
I think i have saved the day as offered to shift it on me trailer.
so the tow vehicle needs to weigh about 1850kg
So a Japanese hatchback will do then? lol
i thought about it but the trailer kept snapping the elastic bands.
Best use the veccy.It has a tow bar lol.
Pistol Pete
11-09-08, 05:42 PM
I think i have saved the day as offered to shift it on me trailer.
:thumb: You have indeed.
Let me know when you need it shifted mate.
I a-framed a racing puma recently with a nissan terrano lwb. Unsure where i stood regarding the law tbh lol
Whats up with it? Want to sale it?
chris gsi
11-09-08, 09:47 PM
I think i have saved the day as offered to shift it on me trailer.
i was just about to post, ask ernie as he might be able to help you out the good lad he is.:thumb:
Thats only for BE holders
its dont matter what weight, the trailer is NOT allowed over 750kg, no matter on how heavy the car is for B only
if what your saying is true, as i have BE and my car weights 3.45tons, i could tow a house? lol
found this on the dvla website......
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_4001106.jpg
Towing trailers or caravans with vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_4020341.jpg
In this article reference is made to the maximum authorised mass (MAM) of vehicles and trailers. This should be taken to mean the permissible maximum weight, also known as the gross vehicle weight.
Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats
Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.
For example:
a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle
Whereas
the same vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes when coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.5 tonnes would fall within category B+E. This is because although the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is within the 3.5 tonnes MAM limit, the MAM of the trailer is more than the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle
Vehicle manufacturers normally recommend a maximum weight of trailer appropriate to their vehicle. Details can usually be found in the vehicle's handbook or obtained from car dealerships. The size of the trailer recommended for an average family car with an unladen weight of around 1 tonne would be well within the new category B threshold.
Towing caravans
As for towing caravans, existing general guidance recommends that the laden weight of the caravan does not exceed 85% of the unladen weight of the car. In the majority of cases, caravans and small trailers towed by cars should be within the new category B threshold.
An exemption from the driver licensing trailer limit allows a category B licence holder to tow a broken down vehicle from a position where it would otherwise cause danger or obstruction to other road users.
By passing a category B test national categories F (tractor), K (pedestrian controlled vehicle) and P (moped) continue to be added automatically.
Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM
Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.
Im glad a passed my test before all this came into play lol.
Im glad a passed my test before all this came into play lol.
my L200 has a maximum legal towing capacity of 2.7t , & the big ifor williams trailer at work has a max gross weight of 3.5t
simply by hitching it up & driving down the road empty, it is illegal..... I hate transport law
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