pics of timing marks 1.4

[dan23]

i need pics of the timing marks at tdc showing the crankpulley second notch aligned with the timing pointer an mark on oil pump

i need this because i dont seem to have a timing pointer an my mate tried to do it buts it not correct

[Adam]

Theres an arrow stamped on the crank sprocket, which points to a notch on the oil pump.

[AlexW]

i need pics of the timing marks at tdc showing the crankpulley second notch aligned with the timing pointer an mark on oil pump

i need this because i dont seem to have a timing pointer an my mate tried to do it buts it not correct

I think im correct in saying, that some have the timing mark on the sump, but check before the timing belt is off that the top is correct.

[mikey14sr]

Theres an arrow stamped on the crank sprocket, which points to a notch on the oil pump.

You need the bottom pulley for the alternator drive off in order to see the above marks.

[burgo]

theres a notch on the alternator pulley tho isnt there?? i never use timing marks anyway. imo the best way is to take out NO 1 plug and find true TDC. then i make my own mark on the pulley and case. then i fire it up and get it close to the marks and then fine tune with sound and feel as in my experience novas never run best set to the timing marks. they always need abit more advance

[dan23]

its the old style 1.4 engine doesnt have auto belt tensioner

cam cover is broken so cant use that
looked carefull at the crank spocket there is a tiny dot lined, this up with line on oil pump making sure no 1 piston was up, an rotor arm was in correct position

when cranked over you can hear the carbs sucking but it doesnt atempt to fire
got spark at plug

[dan23]

this is hard to explain
my mate looked at it but he has timed it up 180 degrees out
the carbs should suck when you put your hand over thembut instead air is blown out

without takeing the head off how can i wind it back 180 degree

also when the notch on oil pump is aligned it doesnt feel like its at tdc with your finger in plug no1 hole you can feel the air being pushed up but after about 6 teeth it pushes alot more air as though the piston has just reached the top
in the manual it says the notch on the crank pulley should be 10 degree btdc surely that wouldnt work also there is no timing poitner to line up the notch on the pulley

[Ben]

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[dan23]

there is nothing on my that resembles that pointer
i have a 1.3 block at a mates house the pointer is on that but not the 1.4

[jimbob-mcgrew]

different comments from everyone lol

i would help but ive got no clue, never dabbled with cam belts, scary business setting up the timing, get it wrong and the engines f00ked.

[meritlover]

if in doubt, put a screwdriver down the plug hole, turn the engine to where the screwdriver sits the highest and confirm that ties in with your markings.

remember this mark is the TDC mark and not the static ign timing.

it does sound like your engines trying to fire on TDC

[dan23]

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[dan23]

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[dan23]

my mates gonna look at it again
if i feel for tdc at cylinder number1 an make sure cam is aligned with notches on cam pulley an belt cover will it run at that
i dont know why you have to line up the notch on crank pulley 10 degrees out + i cant there is no pointer

[dan23]

if its trying to fire at tdc the carbs should suck as the engine is cranking overbut instead air being blown out of the carbs

so should they suck if its cranking at tdc an blow if its 180 degrees out ?

[Adam]

So is the timing correct?
Cam mark pointing up vertical, and crank one aligned?

[Rich]

do not use the alternator belt pully to time it up!!

Best to get it off and you can use the mark on the actual crank pully/oil pump/sump, for the top pully the mark will point straight up.

Otherwise do what the others have said and stick a screwdrive down plug hole 1 to find where the piston is at its highest point

edit- have you tried starting it? As you may have done other damage if it wasnt in time

[dan23]

its turns freely be hand an cranks over when the key is turned but doesnt attempt to fire even with a squirt of easy start (when i first setit up it would rev blow back through the carbs an die)
the lad who looked at it has gnvq level 3 but didnt seem to know what was wrong with it
thats why i suspect its 180 out on the crank

there a tiny dot on the oil pump housing i am not sure if its the correct mark or part of the cast
there are no other marks

[Adam]

Ignition timing/order right?

[dan23]

all ht leads are correct its sparking at the plug an its got fuel

[Adam]

Doesnt say its sparking at the right time though.......

Have you got a timing light?

[dan23]

no dont have a timing light

[dan23]

it is asthough its missing the spark when its cranks over

[dan23]

should i try rotating the distrbibuoter

[Adam]

Is the rotor arm pointing to lead 1 when no1's at/near tdc?

What shell is it? Didnt used to be a 1L did it??

[dan23]

right i know whats wrong with it now
remember earlier on in the thread i said there is no timing pointer an there doesnt seem to be any marks either
coulnt find jack so rotated cam pulley until the notch aligned with the base plate an rotor arm pointed to plug one
felt for compression is was there but seemed to peak after the notch on pulley had gone past the mark

couldnt find a long enough screw driver so used some threaded bar to feel for piston
the piston is at tdc when the cam pulley is slightly less than half a turn past the mark an the rotor arm is now pointing to plug 3

[dan23]

so if i leave no 1 piston at tdc an slacken the water pump is it ok to wind the cam back so the pulley an notch are aligned an the rotor arm will now point to plug no 1

what is the best way to seal the water pump it was a new pump but its been moved 3 times now
should i get it running then remove the pump apply instant gasket an put it back on
or can i just buy a new o ring seal

[Adam]

Theres the problem then, timings all out.
With the cam/crank marks lined up, no1 piston at tdc, it should be pointing to lead 1

[dan23]

as said before though there is no timing pointer on closer inspection there is a small hole bit bigger than the straw that comes with wd40 i think its were the timing pointer used to be

if i set the cam pulley an plug lead 1 while feeling for tdc i dont need to bother about not having a timing pointer do i

[dan23]

what is the best way to seal the water pump it was a new pump but its been moved 3 times now
should i get it running then remove the pump apply instant gasket an put it back on
or can i just buy a new o ring seal[/quote]

still needing some water pump sealent info please

[Adam]

Just the o-ring should seal it

[dan23]

whats the best method of tensioning the belt /water pump i tried tensioning the pump by hand
but when i rotate the crank pulley (by hand ) the belt jumps
can i jam a screw driver against it an use some force ?

[Adam]

Huh?

Rotate the waterpump to put tension in the belt, and then tighten the pump bolts