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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/666602.htm
WOW
Go on dod buy it i dare ya lol
what a waste of fiberglass lol
what a waste of fiberglass lol
*bitch slap* lol
Aye Dod, sell the fleet lol
Aye Dod, sell the fleet lol
Dont be silly we all know he would never do that lol!
NovaBoi92
04-09-08, 11:33 PM
as jeremy clarkson says - drove through a branch of halfords :D
PMSL Even JC would respect the 6R4!
The closest I will get to owning one will be when I had 'Mighty Metro' scalextric,they were 6R4's lol
^^^^@ 91novaSR
Not exactly mate its a 6R4, one of the fastest rally cars in the old group B rallying, rallied with RS200`s and the likes!
NovaBoi92
04-09-08, 11:35 PM
WOW just noticed the price, why is it so high? is that a race car then i dont know - to me it just looked like a metro someone has modified!!
just seen SRspudlys post, yeah race car ok
Wiki it mate! Group B was awesome
RS200 FTW no question! - you will see one in the new F&F film :( lol
NovaBoi92
04-09-08, 11:36 PM
f&f film whats that
fast and furious!
taking the piss? lol
*bitch slap* lol
Aye Dod, sell the fleet lol
lol
NovaBoi92
04-09-08, 11:37 PM
no not taking the piss i didnt know what f&f was :(
no not taking the piss i didnt know what f&f was
OMG! Every chav and his dog has seen that hell my granny has seen it lmfao.
(the bit about my granny was purely ficticious, and only added for comedy purposes but shhhh)lol
NovaBoi92
04-09-08, 11:41 PM
yeah i seen, but just didnt no what that f&f meant fast and furious
rednova
05-09-08, 12:02 AM
6r4's have the same engine as an xj220 minus the turbos iirc
NovaBoi92
05-09-08, 12:03 AM
wow whats the bhp then without the turbos then? am i right in saying that the xj220 had about 520bhp?
depends on the spec, but roughly from300-400bhp, they wre the only naturally aspirated group b car iirc, all the rest had turbos, some of the later audi quattro group b cars had 500+ bhp
the metro was never one of the faster ones though, only managed a highest place finish of 3rd ever,
the quick ones were the quattros, the t16 205's and the lancia deltas, even the RS200 didnt get good results mainly because by the time they came out group b got banned cos the drivers were having trouble controlling the cars they were that fast, henry toivenen died in a lancia iirc then an rs200 crashed and killed 3 spectators so group b got banned
Ahh memorys or the great Colin Mcrae racing one of these around donegal a few years ago, awesome machines!!
Mate, its a 6R4, the only Metro worth mentioning, as I said in my origional post.
TBH, If I could shift the lot quickly enough I'd buy one or an RS200, or 205 T16. You'd never be able to do anything with it other than open the door of the garage and cream yourself but it'd be cool to say "come here and sww ehat I bought..."
They are awesome machines.You youngers on here need to go on amazon and buy some 80's rallying videos.Honestly," a modded metro " and "driven through halfords" These things were around well before any of that barry sh1te.Modifying in them days was making your car go faster.Not slapping silly bumpers and spoilers on a 1litre punto.I wish i had the money for that car btw
/\ I noticed that but didnt think they were serious. Are they really that uneducated?
Negitave Rep for all involved.
NovaBoi92
05-09-08, 11:34 AM
no i just didnt know what car it was - im not from the 80's
oops, too late. Sorry!! lol
Any true car enthusiast should know about rallying,and if you know about rallying you should know about the controversial group b cars.
IMO there was nothing wrong with group B. It was purelly the fault of the rally organisers.
Spectators would stand either side of the road about 1 inch away from the 500bhp monsters travelling sideways around a corner. People get killed and its blamed on the cars. DUUUUHHHHHHH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UuZ5mauKk&feature=related
I mean come on, im pretty sure people would still die today if spectator points weren't so stringent.
And being too fast to race is bollox IMO. If your a rally driver your supposed to be the best in the world, therefore you should know the limits of the car you'r driving. If you drove a current 250bhp rally car without using the brakes you would probably die as well./
Is that Audi Quattro Clip?
The Donegal International Rally has seen 3 deaths in 5 years, is running iirc 32 yreas in total and has only ever seen iirc 4 deaths. There will always bee the call for Rallying to be banned, but the reason Group B was stopped was numerious deaths in 1 crach, iirc including the driver od the car. (RS200)
It was indeed the spectators what killed it.Although they blame it on the cars being too fast which is an easy blame because the events were poorly marshalled.The cars were very quick though ive read somewhere before that Nigel Mansell took a 205 t16 round Silverstone and it wasnt that much slower than his F1 car.
Ayrton Senna died and f1 didnt get banned
You hit the nail on the head. Ayrton Senna died, no one else in that accident (RIP)
Is that Audi Quattro Clip?
The Donegal International Rally has seen 3 deaths in 5 years, is running iirc 32 yreas in total and has only ever seen iirc 4 deaths. There will always bee the call for Rallying to be banned, but the reason Group B was stopped was numerious deaths in 1 crach, iirc including the driver od the car. (RS200)
Its a clip showing just how stupid the spectators are and just how poorly managed the stages were as well. As I said, blaming the car because more than one person died in a sinfgle accident was ludicrous. Its surpriseing a lot more idiots werent sucked into the air intakes IMO
Ive seen a video before were there is literally inches between spectators and car travelling at over 100mph.Mostly abroad may i add aswell.
Ive seen a video before were there is literally inches between spectators and car travelling at over 100mph.Mostly abroad may i add aswell.
...but much like what happens on the road when an idiot walks out in front of you, if you hit them, its the cars fault.
Yeah totally.Said car is always going too fast aswell
the vid lee posted clearly shows its got funk all to do with how quick the cars were
I agree about the spectators standing too close and in stupid places, hence the RS200's off In Portugal http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eJcKE91Ki7I but I also read the real cause of the demise of Groub B was when Henri Toivonen's Lancia plunged down a ravine and the resulting inferno was so horrific all that was left was the charred spaceframe.
All Group B cars had serious issues with bursting into flames after being involved in accidents.
See this clip :( http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgb8yp0eywM
Also this one for how quickly an RS200 could go up http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xokJEbfsDe0
Such a shame.
foooook that lancia is nuts
Yeah! The Delta S4 and Abarth 37 were mental, they make the HF Integrale works cars look like privateer entries, hard to imagine 20 years later that company is as good as dead. Time for a Google to see what they are designing/building idf anything.
lol The S4 is normally the dream Group B car of choice for most, it makes an Apache gunship look handsome though! Awesome machine, I'm stuck on damn youtube now :( lol
but I also read the real cause of the demise of Groub B was when Henri Toivonen's Lancia plunged down a ravine and the resulting inferno was so horrific all that was left was the charred spaceframe.
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But again, you cant blame that on the cars themselves. Theres a solution to every problem after all. The fact that there were sod all fire crews anywhere on the stage was probably the biggest mitigating factor, not to mention lack of reliable extinguisher systems (I also read that the extinguisher systems in the early group B cars were next to useless). Again, if a current rally car caught fire at a rally, and was left to burn, im pretty sure it would also end up nothing but a cage lol
It was a huge shame when these cars were put out to pasture. Another case of motorsport going backwards, like the demise of the supertourers at the end of the '90s.
Don't get me started on the end of the super tourers lol As you say, another huge shame. Smaller budgets and the safety brigade have ruined that, I remember Leslie racing with the bonnet half obscuring his view, BMW's with no front ends etc and no black flags :)
Yeah, the poor extinguishers in the Group B cars have a lot to answer for, but they were just so quick to burst into flames in a roll over, like that RS200, extinguishers or not that thing was going up, it had barely come off the road and it was ablaze. WRC cars since as long as I can remember have been able to barrel roll and have horrific offs and very rarely catch fire.
It's the same as everything else though, technology gets better I guess.
I want to find that vid of Sainz rolling his Celica in Australia I think it was? now.
I don't watch the WRC much now but I am struggling to find a time when a roll over has turned into a fire ball.
The Chared frame of the Lancia, I assume they removed the remains of the drivers from it? What an aweful way to go.
Liam, i agree, but why ban the cars? Just bring in safety guidelines. Im pretty sure they could have stopped the problem. But no, just kill them off completely.
I'm with you Lee. As you say, better extinguisher systems, fire crews on stage and most importantly crowd control!
Who knows how awesome group b could have been if they hadn't panicked and banned it overnight. :(
I wonder if they felt they had no choice, given that so many had died.
Dod, there is no mention of what happened to the bodies of Toivonen and Cresto. Can't imagine there being anything left to remove/recover given the huge fire.
Wikipedia says 'Toivonen, driving a Lancia Delta S4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta_S4), died in an accident on May 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2), 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986) while leading the Tour de Corse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_Corse) rally in Corsica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsica). His American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) co-driver, Sergio Cresto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Cresto), also died when the Lancia plunged down a ravine and exploded. The fatal accident had no close witnesses and the remains of the car were merely blackened spaceframe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceframe), making it impossible to determine the cause of the accident'
steve rdf
05-09-08, 09:36 PM
would buy a 6r4 just for the noise they make
Delta S4 is THE car IMO. I'm I right in thinking the 6R4 was banned before Group B was banned? or is that one of those myths? Shame it was banned just because of poor organzation/saftey issues.
Delta S4 is THE car IMO. I'm I right in thinking the 6R4 was banned before Group B was banned? or is that one of those myths? Shame it was banned just because of poor organzation/saftey issues.
the 6r4 was actually the only group B car to survive, albeit only on national rallies. it was detuned to 'clubman spec' at about 300hp. they were amazingly strong. Williams Grand Prix Engineering actually designed them & based them on a std shell & a hefty roll cage.
The engine lived on in motorsport because TWR bought the rights to it, made it 3.5litres & stuck 2 turbos on. it then raced in the world sports prototype series, & then powered the xj220 supercar.
It was actually a very sneaky bit of designing... Rover staff weren't actually very pleased to have the honda deal thrust upon them & they weren't sure how long it would last. they knew they had their own engines up to 2.0 & the Rover v8 but never had a v6 to fit in their big saloons...The whole 6r4 project was a cheap way of getting a v6 engine & it was done in public
You think a 6R4 is nuts....have a go in a T16!!
Ive drove a 6R4, albeit non competitive and not at speed, but the T16 is something else entreily!!!!
just vaux trev
05-09-08, 11:51 PM
i like metro's:roll::p
You think a 6R4 is nuts....have a go in a T16!!
Ive drove a 6R4, albeit non competitive and not at speed, but the T16 is something else entreily!!!!
the roadgoing t16's were no quicker in a straight line than a 205 1.9gti, but the rally ones were incredible....the s4 was just too complex, Henri Toivonen would have been the fastest in any grp.B car, but he drove for lancia. he was stunningly fast in anything, probably a faster driver than Colin McRae, but that is a different debate
i dont know about that i respect he was an amazing driver but what about walter rohl and ari vatanen, vatanens my hero, met him at the rally day in combe last year, the way mcrae drove reminded me how vatanen used to drive, flat out, everywher lol,
myself i think the group b cars were getting too fast, they were bordering on uncontrollable, 500+ bhp on narrow gravel forestry roads is never going to be easy is it, there wasnt many drivers that could actually drive them properly, only toivonen, vatanen and rohl i can think of myself
belly257
06-09-08, 02:43 AM
used to rally these near me in the rac , grizdale forest no that i can rember anything as i was really young
the final quattro was just a monster. it had a special preselector box borrowed from the porsche 962 lemans car. 3rd was used for launches cos it just sat there spinning in 1st & 2nd. they fitted a 6th injector into the exhaust as an afterburner to keep the boost up!!!!!!!!!! youtube pikes peak for evidence.
vatanen was a safer driver because he is still alive, but toivonen was much faster. the S4 was once tested at monza, it would have qualified third for that years GP
the roadgoing t16's were no quicker in a straight line than a 205 1.9gti, but the rally ones were incredible....the s4 was just too complex, Henri Toivonen would have been the fastest in any grp.B car, but he drove for lancia. he was stunningly fast in anything, probably a faster driver than Colin McRae, but that is a different debate
Aye, the roadgoing T16 was TBH tame. The GrpB version is insane to drive! You hit the throttle and the RPM gauge flies up, literally flies upto its stop needle!!
Ill have a look up my dads loft for the photo's of the one i had a go in and scan them up :cool:
Tis such a shame that group B was banned but ill agree it was down to the spectators i mean theyre stood completely across the track ffs its no wonder somw of them got hit and whay the funk were they stood on the outside of that corner instead of the inside where they wouldnt have been hit if the car had an "off"
Cant believe that lancia thats sooo bed, even the engine was gone even tho it will have been ally thats some inferno poor buggers wont have stood a chance with how fast that went up!
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