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A few of you may of read recently on Ollys thread (Trackdaynova) that he has changed to a new style rose jointed TCA and tie rod setup, the original setup he used still retained bushes in the TCA's which will not last long when a lot of castor is applied.
The kit as seen on Ollys car is now available to anyone interested, the full kit only requires the oe bottom ball joint as everything else required is supplied in the kit.
The full kit is as follows :
TCA with inner rose joint fixings x2
Adjustable tie rods x2
Crossmember brackets x2
Heavy duty 1/2" rose joints and locknuts x2
1/2" bolts for inner tca x2
All other fixing bolts and side spacers
Fully painted although powder coating can be arranged
The OE inner TCA hole in the chassis has to be taken out to 1/2" to accept the new bolts which can be done with the engine in place. the drill bit is not supplied with the kit.
There are no other modifications to be made to the chassis although I do strongly advise that the crossmember is checked for any rot or damage before this kit is installed as the lowered brackets do increase the leverage on the crossmember.
I would also advise that a HH (or similar) strengthening kit is fitted to the vehicle as this puts a lot of strength into the areas around the crossmember brackets.
This kit is based upon the HH kit, just without the costs, once fitted the vehicle will require the geometry to be set and combined with a pair of eccentric top mounts you will have 100% adjustment of the complete front end suspension.
Below are the pictures of the setup, I do not have any pictures of the crossmember brackets off a car but I will get some as soon as possible.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/advert6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/advert3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/Advert1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/DSC03093.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/DSC03094.jpg
The full kit as described above is £450 plus delivery of £10 to most areas in the UK, options to suit other vehicles may come at a later date and a modified set to suit a Nova with a F28 will be sorted shortly.
These kits are made to order so if anyone is interested can they please PM me and I will get back to them with all relevant info.
Thanks for looking :thumb:
trackdaynova
13-07-08, 12:26 AM
bttt :)
suitable for use with F28?
Rick Draper
13-07-08, 02:57 PM
suitable for use with F28?
Read the full post:thumb:
Read the full post:thumb:
Fair play :)
trackdaynova
23-07-08, 08:08 PM
Bttt
How long will these kits be avaliable for? Would be look mid-late next year... PM if you want.
did you manage to get a price for the setup but with a tca bush instead of rose joint?or would the fully rose jointed set up be suitable for a road car?
trackdaynova
24-07-08, 08:20 AM
adam - I am selling my kit that has a bush on the inner TCA, but RJ'd at the tiebar end.
All you'd need to buy is some lowered tiebar brackets from Jonboy that fix onto the front panel.
matthew172
24-07-08, 06:17 PM
pm sent
BTTT
I think people that attended the PNG Trackday yesterday will maybe appreciate the gains this setup can make now.
ive already got some chris astley rose jointed tie bar brackets could this be used at all? as your tie bar wont mate up to my tie bar mount.
cheers
Yes the brackets could be modified and used, you wouldn't use those style rose joints though.
This was a set that were modified :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Bens%20Nova/P1010026.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/DSC03094.jpg
Hi, I was just wondering if the adjustable tie rods could be made with a left hand bearing at one end and a right hand one at the other so that the rod was adjustable in-situ. Would this be possible and if so, how much extra would it cost?
trackdaynova
16-12-08, 08:51 PM
lol looking forward to seeing Jonboys responce to this question.
Jonboy bought some from lee303, which meant the car would steer itself, very dangerous they were.
In short - don't do it.
Cheers Olly, I wasn't sure if this idea would result in them adjusting themselves as you were driving. Just a thought.
not so much the self adjustment.... more the severe twist/canting of the TCA where the RJ connected to it wont offer any twisting support (unless you mounted it vertically, but then there are problems with that too
Lee's now locked that rose joint in place on his ones to get over the original issues, I don't really like it done that way and the only gains are ease of adjustment not actually any geometry gains, It could be done though and I do have 2 suitable LH thread joints for the job so drop me a PM if your interested.
spanishfly
17-12-08, 10:25 AM
lol looking forward to seeing Jonboys responce to this question.
Jonboy bought some from lee303, which meant the car would steer itself, very dangerous they were.
In short - don't do it.
Wow Olly that was bitchy. I have a set of Lee's and yes your right the early setup did cause movement. However the joint is now fixed but still offers the on car adjustment. For example when my crossmember kept moving I was able to re adjust my castor as to get to PV. I did this on the side of the M1! There is nothing wrong with either of the designs, I personally prefere the on car adjustment, however this said I don't think Lee is selling the kits any more, to much grief from 'know-it-alls'.
Lee will be on shortly i'm sure.
spanishfly
17-12-08, 10:27 AM
What I say to anyone buying this kit is, CHECK your crossmember properly, I mean remove the rad and have a good dig round with the screw driver, mine look ok-ish however when it met the screwdriver it wasn't.
Thanks for clearing that up Rob, There isn't a issue with it being done the way yours is, were just trying to keep the costs down.
I have mentioned in the original advert on page 1 about checking the strength of the panels before a setup like this is fitted, thanks for your concern though as it can be overlooked.
spanishfly
17-12-08, 03:38 PM
NP James. Would also like to add anyone interested in taking the car on track needs these:D These offer a TRUE gain in handling unlike others products available.
NP James. Would also like to add anyone interested in taking the car on track needs these:D .
:roll:
Whats the rolling eyes for Lee ?
Does the fact that Lee's, Spanishes and Robs car all handle well and yours doesn't bother you ?
joke btw
lol looking forward to seeing Jonboys responce to this question.
Jonboy bought some from lee303, which meant the car would steer itself, very dangerous they were.
In short - don't do it.
mm, perhaps you should get your facts straight before you start slinging **** olly, or just ring me up if you feel the need to slag me off, bit of a reccuring theme here though, slagging people off without fully understanding what you are saying, just like the track rod end saga, bump steer just relates to track rod angle huh:confused: lol and the irony considering the pm you sent me is enormous
anyways, i wont ruin jonboys thread, you have my number if you feel the need to discuss this further:roll:
and as spanish has said, getting a decent degree of positive castor in your suspension setup is a brilliant idea, and will make your car handle way better, so these brackets should sell like hot cakes, on car adjustable or not:thumb:
Whats the rolling eyes for Lee ?
Does the fact that Lee's, Spanishes and Robs car all handle well and yours doesn't bother you ?
joke btw
lol, dont worry, I can take a joke!
I was rolling eyes at the 'you NEED these' comment. It seems everyone thinks they are essential, when IMO they are definatly not.
Not disputing their merits either, before Im jumped on, I just think that people planning to build a track car shouldnt be hoodwinked into thinking this is the only way to go, and that not running them renders your car impotent in the handling stakes.
trackdaynova
17-12-08, 04:56 PM
perhaps you should get your facts straight before you start slinging **** olly, or just ring me up if you feel the need to slag me offwho has slagged you off? who is slinging sh.t?
Graham asked about double rosejointing the tiebars, and I stated that you made Jonboy some, that were unsafe to use on the road, as it made the car wonder all over the place with no input from the driver, which is totally factual, and true, hence why you have now locked them off with two massive washers. Unless you want to correct me?
bit of a reccuring theme here though, slagging people off without fully understanding what you are sayingNope, I understand totally what I'm saying, you made a design, sold them to someone and they didn't work :confused: :thumb:
Stop getting ar.sey just because someone else has an opinion.
spanishfly
17-12-08, 05:21 PM
Lee your right there not needed, just better as you can get alot more adjustment.
novashed
17-12-08, 09:35 PM
chill out guys
mulletor
18-12-08, 05:37 PM
what advantage will i get over a good set of strengthened bottom arms , with poly bushes and rose jointed front mounts but the chris astley style and adjustable top mounts
mulletor
18-12-08, 05:39 PM
is it just the caster adjustment that really makes the difference and could i not just adjust this with the topmounts.
would really like this kit but have recently brought all the bits above.
You can't dial in much castor just using top mounts which is why this setup is more ideal.
You also shouldn't dial in much castor on bushed tca's as it will wear the bush quickly.
I did use the same setup you have years ago on my own nova and it was a good upgrade for the costs, the only thing available back then was the Pilbeam setup which is mega pricey and still is mega pricey when you consider this kit is still half the cost.
The Astley brackets could be modifed if you wished and the eccentric mounts could still also be used
mulletor
19-12-08, 06:52 PM
feel gutted but am gonna have to use all the bits ive got as cant afford to change now. sorry
Thats not a problem mate, I'm not forcing anyone to buy them.
skidmarkz
30-04-09, 09:40 PM
free bump
:)another Review soon
skidmarkz
21-06-09, 02:06 PM
Well, i have recieved my setup, fitted to the car all is ok, very impressed with the build quality, welding is awsome and generally feels\looks very well built.
It is now fitted to the car, played about with camber castor ect LOL, hmm looks mental with nearly 3 degress neg camber and the front wheels nearly rubbing the bumper :)
cant wait it get it setup and test...
J
BUMP for new pics of TCA's
pink hole punch not included*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/P1030186.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/P1030187.jpg
are these suitable for F28 use yet?
They have fitted 2 cars with F28's although I have not personally tried a set a set on a car with some.
Olly sold his to Gareth with the yellow nova and they fitted without any issues, I believe Gary (Corsakid) may of tried the same set on his and they fitted fine too.
Update as I have had a lot of interest in these.
Various kits have been finished and sold and the next batch are due to be machined soon, due to the slight differences in Corsa and Nova TCA's I'm getting a mix of the two made but if anyone specifically wants nova ones can you please let me know and I'll make sure enough kits are done.
Latest pics of the kits :
Nova :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize14.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize15.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize12.jpg
Corsa :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/resize12.jpg
There are 2 types of Corsa kits, early and late, hole spacing in the TCA is different so they have to be machined different to suit this.
All kits come complete with nuts and bolts where required, chassis plating kits are advised, certainly to the crossmember bracket area itself. 4 x high quality motorsport rose joints are also included. Powdercoat colour is optional but Auto2000 as per the Corsa setup is the most commonly used by the company used.
Bottom ball joints are not included but OE items or Uniballs work fine.
These have been fitted to Novas and Corsas running a F28 gearbox, had a few PM's asking the same question so thought I'd add that info
Bumping this thread as I have 2 Nova kits available
Price is £450 + £10 delivery ( pending that you are mainland and not in the deepest regions of jockland lol )
SR-Rally
07-05-12, 01:48 AM
Any sort of deal if I take both nova kits? Cheers
Still got 2 nova sets here.
zeifer33
25-05-12, 02:24 PM
hi mate,
It´s possible a kit for a nova running a F13? and postage to Spain?
Thx
No problem at all. The first kits were initially designed on a nova running a f13.
Yhpm
deanwilko
28-05-12, 09:02 PM
Hi, what is the maximum track that these could give im after a wide track set up and just wondered before i get started on making one.
Thanks dean
I'll check that for you, there is a set at my mates workshop which were a widetrack setup.
How wider track are you going for ?
deanwilko
28-05-12, 10:15 PM
I'll check that for you, there is a set at my mates workshop which were a widetrack setup.
How wider track are you going for ?
dont suppose you now wider the set up is? as i havnt really sat down and worked it out. just did a quick search for some info and came across here
thanks dean
Sadly not, its not full wide track width but is far too much for standard arches.
I've dropped him a text so I'll get him to measure it tomorrow.
deanwilko
28-05-12, 10:47 PM
thanks, after some thing thats just abit wider then the hockley set up so i can use astra/ cavalier full lenght drive shafts.
thanks dean
Up for PV Show
Got one Nova kit to take along to pv, I'll be camping over sat night.
2 sets fresh in. All ready to go.
PM me
MAYES MOTORSPORT
21-06-12, 08:01 PM
i want one nova kit ring me on 07976 962483
stuartp
15-02-13, 02:00 PM
Hi ya pal you interested in supply the valance mounts only? I've got a pilbeam set but lost the front brackets thanks stuart
angusl2006
12-06-13, 12:47 PM
These still being made and sold?
novahotrod
12-06-13, 07:01 PM
Can these be modified for a corsa b? Also how much adjustment is there on the tie bar?
I have done kits for both Corsa and tigra as well as novas, David Dixon, Specky, Big Ron and Adam Dewis to name a few all run the kits on their cars, I have customers abroad running them on Tarmac rally cars and drag cars.
chrisnovaturbo
15-06-13, 09:44 PM
are these the same kits as on ebay? they look the same but they are £370 delivered.
steg1970
24-10-13, 08:29 AM
I'm struggling to get anywhere near the 4 degrees positive castor recomended in the GM build guide even with eccentric top mounts.
Has anyone used this kit on a rally car? My car is primarily a tarmac car but does go into the forest from time to time.
Does shortening the tie bar to give more castor reduce the track of the cas much?
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