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Dar
29-03-07, 08:00 PM
At the end of each year when the car is not going to be used for a while. I start to take it to bits and do all the little modifications that I have decided need doing over the year. Previous years have been mostly body and suspension upgrades. However this year it was either a new gearbox and a general freshen up. Or a new engine.

After a bit of thought I decided that a new gearbox and a freshen up was the best way to go. Whilst I was at it I could beef up the components on the car that maybe weak points, ready for all the extra power that a new engine will bring (when I build it).

Plus there was also some more metal in the car that I wanted to get rid of. So first things first, the interior had to come out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06088_640x480.jpg
That gave the kids something new to play with.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06089_640x480.jpg
On a side note my eldest told me that she’s getting a pink car and that she’s going to drive it faster than my car. Funny, but I hope she does.

Anyway, I wanted to fit another exhaust system on the car and also wanted it to be bigger and more directly routed than the last one. Out came the grinder and I was off.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06092_640x480.jpg
Bits
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06091_640x480.jpg
A bit of welding and some primer and were ready.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06095_640x480.jpg
The next bit of metal that needed to go was the insides of the doors. After borrowing a plasma cutter, we go from this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06108_640x480.jpg
To this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06111_640x480.jpg
Then I put some edging around so that there are no sharp bits.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06112_640x480.jpg
Then put this in the bin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06110_640x480.jpg

Dar
29-03-07, 08:00 PM
I didn’t take any piccys of the internal shifter being put in, but that got put in the car.
Then I decided that I would put the break lines inside the car. I ordered the bits from RallyDesign and put them in. Really easy job.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06279_640x480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06282_640x480.jpg
Then I decided that my rear drums and shoes could do with replacing. My old ones looked horrible. New drums, shoes and bearings where ordered and they went on as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06323_640x480.jpg
I painted them in black very high temp paint, so hopefully I won’t burn the paint off of these ones.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06324_640x480.jpg
I then decided to take out the engine and freshen that up a little. I needed to do a cam belt change and the box needed to go to Quaife anyway.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06316_640x480.jpg
They come out easier than they go in!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06317_360x480.jpg
Yum! My rust proofing system has been working well….read oil and grease getting thrown off of the engine and CV’s (Plus all the oil from when I blew up my gearbox at the start of the year).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06318_640x480.jpg
I then got some new shafts 2l to 2l and other bits to go with them. I also got a new exhaust manifold and nylon bushes all round.
New exhaust manifold against the old one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06520_640x480.jpg
The shafts made up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06295_640x480.jpg
New bearings in the hubs and the 2l doda’s
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06319_640x480.jpg

coochiSR
29-03-07, 08:00 PM
Nice one, lots of less weight lol

Dar
29-03-07, 08:01 PM
Rear bush removal
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06341_640x480.jpg
and the new nylon ones in place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06343_640x480.jpg
TCA
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06344_640x480.jpg
I did the cam belt change and made a new cover for it as well as spraying a few bits on the engine. I decided to put the cambelt cover on since I had a trip in the gravel at Donnington with Oli (DHDev) in the car. I was surprised at how deep we got and how easy it would have been to throw off the belt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06335_640x480.jpg
Also, getting the manifold out etc was a pain in the butt. Also my front grill didn’t fit well because I had snapped bits off of it. So I made up a new piece for the front.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06452_640x480.jpg
Then it was time to sort out the fuel system. I have noticed that as the car has got quicker my fuel starvation problem got worse and my solution of just filling up the tank more and more was not working. Therefore I decided to put a swirlpot on the car and bring the fuel lines inside as well. To do this in areoquip would have cost a small fortune and I wasn’t going to spend all that money on fuel lines. So after a few enquiries I managed to find a place that could swage on JIC-6 fittings to braided hose as well as supply the bulkhead fittings as well. At a fraction of the price of the areoquip equivalent (Stronger as well). I got a swirl pot from Alloy Racing Fabrications for half the price it would cost from a mainstream place. I also decided to ditch my old fuel pressure regulator in favor of a nice little one that SBD use for all their high powered XE’s. Whilst I was ordering bits from SBD I got a fuel pump and a fuel filter. So I had all the bits I needed for the fuel system to go in.
From the tank in to the car.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06481_640x480.jpg
I also decided that the fuel system was going in the front where I could get at it easily.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06485_640x480.jpg
My gearbox got sent to Quaife who decided to mess me around a bit. So whilst I was sorting things out with Quaife I decided that the old Nova gear linkage was pants and that a rose jointed version will have to be made.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06447_640x480.jpg
I was also getting bits nice and cheap from various people, so I put some stickers on the car for them.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06474_640x480.jpg
As well as some for myself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06473_640x480.jpg

Dar
29-03-07, 08:02 PM
I managed to kill my very expensive engine loom as well. DOH! So had to contact a Motorsport loom maker to make me a new one bespoke for the car. Its been made I just need to go and pick it up.

Anyway I finally got my gearbox back from Quaife and so it was time to start putting this thing back together.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06519_640x480.jpg
The ramp is dead handy!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06522_640x480.jpg
All the bits laid out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06524_640x480.jpg
and then put together
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06526_640x480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06525_640x480.jpg
Many thanks to Chris for his help putting the engine and box together and also putting the engine back in the car. You can do it by yourself, but its soooo much nice to have company and Chris is a fan-bloody-tastic mechanic as well as good company.

Engine in position
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06530_640x480.jpg
and…….shes in!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06537_640x480.jpg

Dar
29-03-07, 08:02 PM
and this is the current state of play. The engine is in and all toped up with fluids. I just need to pick up the new engine loom and then take it to get its new exhaust system fitted.
Engine bay
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06538_640x480.jpg
Interior
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06539_640x480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06542_640x480.jpg
and finally my new sticker donated by Chris and Jen
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06540_640x480.jpg

You made it to the end of this post!! Well done! I didn’t think anyone would last this long reading my drivel.

Adam
29-03-07, 08:04 PM
Top work.
Liking the 4post ramp!

c'2.0lrt
29-03-07, 08:20 PM
read every last part top thread mate nice work

Lee
29-03-07, 08:22 PM
Funny reading through that looking at all the things we decided to do to both the cars. Im glad one of thems gonna make it anyway!

Top work as always mate.

ashtal
29-03-07, 08:23 PM
Really nice work pal, looks a proper weapon. Got any pics of where you lost the 3 inch out of the gear selector rod ?

ashtal
29-03-07, 08:25 PM
Dont worrie, i spotted the weld in one of the pics :thumb:

Riggy
29-03-07, 08:32 PM
looks ace dar , loved it when i came down and saw it , but looks even better now lol :thumb:

Dar
29-03-07, 08:32 PM
Really nice work pal, looks a proper weapon. Got any pics of where you lost the 3 inch out of the gear selector rod ?
Thanks and yup here it is.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/DSC06543_640x480.jpg

dhdev (Oli)
29-03-07, 10:26 PM
I've seen many different spelling sof Oli but Oil is a new one lol

Looks top as always Dar, will look forward to a gravel free Pax ride at some point this year :D

chris gsi
29-03-07, 10:33 PM
looking very nice dar glad i could help mate

burgo
29-03-07, 10:56 PM
some very nice work there, its looking really good

macc nova
30-03-07, 12:03 AM
quality work dar as usual

Ernie
30-03-07, 01:23 AM
Looking good mate. Also Carla's legs are in 1 of the pic's.
See you over the weekend laterz me.

Rob77
30-03-07, 01:54 AM
Looking spot on mate!

I want to do the same with my fuel and brake lines soon...

nova ian
30-03-07, 10:09 AM
Looks awesome. Top work there, very impressive car.

Ian

draper
30-03-07, 10:14 AM
very nice dar, love the garage/ramp set-up it must make life so much more easier

Dar
30-03-07, 11:10 AM
Thankyou all for your kind comments:thumb:

Going to pickup my new engine loom tonight, so not long now and the car will be running.

Draper - The two poster ramp does make life so much easier, but it does make the garage feel alot smaller than it used to.

Ernie
30-03-07, 11:22 AM
All this work getting done and you have found time to drop an exhaust of to me. Cheers mate top fella and great guy....

matthew172
30-03-07, 02:47 PM
what gearbox did you get from quaife? dog - synchro ?? all straight cut inc cw and pinion?? great work looks tops propper track weapon

SRlew
30-03-07, 03:50 PM
looks like even more of a beast now! top work fella!

Dar
30-03-07, 04:16 PM
what gearbox did you get from quaife? dog - synchro ?? all straight cut inc cw and pinion?? great work looks tops propper track weapon

I got a straight cut syncro box with a 4.2 final drive and 0.958 for 5th gear. Im hoping that I will be at 130mph before hitting the limiter in 5th. Which would be perfect for the current engine.

craig green
30-03-07, 04:35 PM
All good stuff.

Any chance you could help me with my brake lines & shizzle I need to get from Rally design. Almost the same setup as you.

Like the Cav shifter. Did you put it ontop of where the existing shifter was, or move it back for a perfect position?

MARTIN KELSON
30-03-07, 04:53 PM
Hi Dar

Your going to love that straight cut box mate. Ear plugs in for you from now on.
Really liking that rose jointed gear linkage. You tried it out yet?
If it works how do you fancy making another one??

Cheers

Martin

Dar
30-03-07, 05:18 PM
CG - not a problem. Its simple to do. I listed all the bits you need in a thread a little while ago. Any help you want, just PM me. Im only short so the origonal position of the gear stick is in the perfect place for me. Chris tryed gettin in it yesterday to try out the gear linkage and couldn't actually fit in at alllol

Hi Martin, I can't wait to try out the box. I've wanted one for a long time. The noise is addictive. As for the gear linkage, its in and seems to be very nice although I can't really tell 100% until I drive with it. The one pictured is the first one I made. However I have made another one with bigger rose-joints and thats the one thats in the car.

If you have a pillar drill and can tap new threads then they are easy to make up. The real problem is getting good quality rose-joints cheap. The linkage pictured uses M6 female & M8 male rose-joints. The beefier version uses M8 & M10. If it works how I expect then I 'may' make a few up for people. I would need the origonal linkage to start since I don't have spares. My main concern is that they are adjustable and I don't want to make them for people who don't have a good idea on how to fit them and adjust them if its not perfectly set (I know this wouldn't be a problem for you).

ashtal
30-03-07, 06:43 PM
Got any pics of the route you took with the brake lines !?!

Dar
31-03-07, 12:00 AM
I now have the new loom
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06549_640x480.jpg
and my MBE link cable
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06550_640x480.jpg

All made by Steve at GWR Motorsport in Swindon. A brilliant job and also a top bloke who is more than willing to talk you through how to install everything. If you do need a loom making up, then I would suggest he's worth a call.

Chris
31-03-07, 12:04 AM
looks very tidy that mate.

Going to do some of the mapping yourself?

Chris

Dar
31-03-07, 12:09 AM
Thanks Chris - I've been shown how to modify things on the MBE system, but I think I will leave any mapping to the experts. I may fiddle with a few things though;)

coochiSR
31-03-07, 02:40 PM
Great news!!! Good luck fitting the loom, bet your itching to road test her!
Keep up the good work!

kenny_afh
31-03-07, 03:13 PM
what sorta price does a loom like that tend to cost? i need one for my suzuki nova,was gonna try to make my own but maybe a pro built item would be benificial

Dar
02-04-07, 05:24 PM
Well it starts and runs. I can now go and get a new exhaust system made for it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Videos/th_itsalive.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Videos/?action=view&current=itsalive.flv)

Lee
02-04-07, 05:29 PM
I can now go and get a new exhaust system made for it.


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

ashtal
02-04-07, 05:36 PM
nice, its ready to rumble. Think i will have to give you a burn up when i get mine finished .

krobinson
02-04-07, 05:56 PM
Looks great dar - bloody love the colour of your car!

Keith

Ernie
02-04-07, 06:04 PM
sweet... more tissues please

tom_beverley
02-04-07, 06:24 PM
Awesome, bloody brilliant is all I can say. Hope I can complete mine half as well as that mate, well done.

Rob77
02-04-07, 06:25 PM
Looks and sounds spot on Dar!

:thumbs:

macc nova
03-04-07, 12:41 AM
lovely jubly

Dar
03-04-07, 10:26 AM
Thanks:thumb:
I really can't wait to drive it now. Finally getting it started again was a real relief. Im always really worried that something is going to go wrong. Thankfully no such dramas this time. I just need to run it up and let all the rubbish burn off of the new exhaust manifold.

Ernie
03-04-07, 10:48 AM
sweeeeeeeeeet.

ANDYRACER
03-04-07, 11:09 AM
Looking good Dar, really like the internal brake lines there a nice touch. :thumb:

Mike.
03-04-07, 11:58 AM
car looks awesome asusual dar

Dar
12-04-07, 04:07 PM
Got my exhaust system fitted today. I wanted the car as quite as possible for the sound tests.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00060.jpg
The backbox
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00061.jpg
The centre section
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00063.jpg
Some piccys of the progress.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00062.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00065.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00064.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/IMAGE_00050.jpg
and finally with the diffuser back on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06579_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06577_800x600.jpg
I also had chance to drive the car once the exhaust was on and it whines away like a goodun, so I know the box is deffo straight cut. The linkage feels nice as well. So its finished for the time being. Im just hoping for a trouble free test at Combe.
The exhaust was done by Inifinty Exhausts in Yate. A really top notch job and exactly what I asked for.

Adam
12-04-07, 04:18 PM
Awesome ,looks like a top job.

Lee
12-04-07, 05:11 PM
That looks proper bo innit. Big up the shiney backbox massive!

And your gearbox whines because you forgot to put oil in it lol

ANDYRACER
12-04-07, 05:27 PM
That looks cool.

How much if you dont mind me asking?

Dar
12-04-07, 06:07 PM
That looks proper bo innit. Big up the shiney backbox massive!

And your gearbox whines because you forgot to put oil in it lol
****! your right!!!:(





Not lol

Andy it cost me ?350

Lee
12-04-07, 09:31 PM
i shouldnt laugh really, theres still no oil in mine lol

Dar
20-04-07, 05:32 PM
A teeny weeny update. Just before I leave for Combe I thought I would show you guys my wheels finished. Both are satin black so I don't have to clean them much:D

These are the trackday wheels. Finished this morning with the addition of the little centre piccys.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/DSC06640_800x600.jpg

The sprint wheels that need some tyres fitted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/DSC06639_800x600.jpg
Many thanks to cruisindude for the centre caps:thumb: Top Bloke!

Iain
20-04-07, 05:36 PM
Wheels look good although they still look grey in pics :p

macc nova
20-04-07, 06:38 PM
very nice work dar, good look at combe! :thumb:

nova ian
21-04-07, 02:10 PM
No problem, Glad you got them mate.

Looks good. Hope my project will as good as yours when its done!

Ian

hybridturbo
21-04-07, 09:24 PM
same lap times as the reyland escort around combe lol

What a car + driver :D

Nick
21-04-07, 09:34 PM
Fantastic Mr.Dar

Has the diffuser made a noticeable difference !?

dhdev (Oli)
21-04-07, 10:30 PM
same lap times as the reyland escort around combe lol

What a car + driver :D

Neil timed him earlier in the day at a second faster than the reyland Escos. :D

However towards the end of the day the Reyland boys started really going for it, they were flying :eek: Dunno what times Dar is doing but the two Reyland cars were sub 1.20, best I timed was a 1.17 altho I have it on good authority that the 3-door has done 1.14 b4 :)

Dar you and your car were sensational today! Hoooj respek!

Can't remember exact quotes (due to cider induced memory loss) but I heard several spectators mouthing expletives about how quick u were :thumb:

Dar
22-04-07, 07:55 PM
Thanks:)
It was a good day. Im hoping my car will do a sub 1:20 lap with no traffic and to be fair the Reyland boys must have been testing earlier on in the day because there is no way that my Nova would keep up with either of those bad boys!!

The car felt great and the gearing was as predicted/calculated (thankfully). So im happy as a happy thing. Im currently uploading the vids at the mo for you guys to watch.

It really is a very nice feeling knowing that people spotted the car and thought it looked fast.

Dan 130
22-04-07, 09:44 PM
Top man glad the car is running well

Geth
23-04-07, 12:20 AM
Brilliant! Didn't realise you had a project thread going Dar.

The car's looking sweet. Can't wait to see her on track, especially with the new quaife box.

Dar
23-04-07, 11:13 AM
My two vids. I have them in General but it also makes sense to put them here as well.
Run1 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4517401048236720642)
Run2 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6082381236692193363)

craig green
23-04-07, 12:28 PM
The car's looking sweet. Can't wait to see her on track, especially with the new quaife box.

It was flying!

Nick
23-04-07, 02:44 PM
ROFLCOPTER @ the rather extreme sideways moment at the start of second session :-)

Dar
23-04-07, 05:31 PM
Just finding the limits and warming my tyres:D .....well ok it was a mistake:tard:

The piccy was good though:thumb:

Geth
25-04-07, 06:01 PM
Your ears must be burning Dar, a colleague of mine was at Combe on the weekend (just spectating) was telling me about the awsome red Nova he saw running and the nutter behind the wheel.

Your fame seems to be spreading across the country rapidly, international superstar next lol

Dar
25-04-07, 06:42 PM
Thats great!! I love it when my car gets noticed:)
Im still waiting for some outside footage of it from the trackday. I want to hear what it sounded like from the outside.

Dan 130
25-04-07, 07:18 PM
well she she really was singing wasnt she dar lol that gold mk1 golf in the 1st vid looked like it went alright but yeah your car was awesome

Dar
25-04-07, 07:33 PM
That Golf was a quick car! Well driven as well.

Dan 130
25-04-07, 07:35 PM
do you know anything about it ie engine , specs

Dar
25-04-07, 08:20 PM
I've been told it has 220bhp. I know its running throttle bodies and im sure its a 2l 16v.

dabsy
25-04-07, 09:13 PM
Great track footage DAR and a massive inspiration for me, Novaneil posted up some times at work today that he took of some of his mates, yours and the Reyland cossies + some tasty pics... your lap times really are impressive!!

Could you give me a bit more info on the gear linkage please... is it off a std Astra/cav? and exactly what did you do to mod the exsisting linkage?

I've stripped out the entire interior this PM so am looking at starting shaving off all the excess metal trim inside and seam wleding within the next couple of weeks, and want to take the chance to complete all the neccessary internal mods whilst i'm there.... still fancy making up a some linkages? if so PM me with a price.

Cheers, Dave.

dhdev (Oli)
25-04-07, 09:25 PM
Im still waiting for some outside footage of it from the trackday.

You ask and I deliver...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/dhdev/th_MOV00002.jpg (http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/dhdev/?action=view&current=MOV00002.flv)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/dhdev/th_MOV00003.jpg (http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/dhdev/?action=view&current=MOV00003.flv)

My phone is absolutely rubbish at vids sorry :( I tried my best tho!

Dar
25-04-07, 09:45 PM
Oli you are a star!!:cool: Thanks!

dabsy - The gear linkage is just out of a standard cav. You cut out the metal in front of the normal gear shift and then the metal around where the old one was. Weld a plate over the hole. The cav gear shift has to be shortened by 3" and straightened. The competiton build manual says this :-


Also carefully remove both the gearlever gaiter support bracket and the centre support shelf from the centre tunnel section, in readiness for the installation of the revised gearshift and linkage at a later stage. Once the carpet centre support has been removed, an elongated hole, approximately 80mm by 25mm must be formed in the centre section of the floor panel, along its centreline, starting 80mm rearward of the tunnel to bulkhead bodyseam. This is to give access to the engine bay for the revised gear linkage. The area of centre tunnel and exposed hole i mmediately below the gearlever gaiter support bracket can be closed off and strengthened using the shaped blanking plate supplied. This should be welded into place.

The actuall rose jointed linkage is easily made up and works like a charm. I reckon its the next best thing to a direct linkage. Nothing will beat a direct linkage, but this is very good. The best way to show how to make one would be with piccys, so I will dismantel my spare one that uses the smaller rose joints and take piccys. If I get time on friday I will do it then and post it up here.

big gra
25-04-07, 09:53 PM
very nice looking car that mate, wish i had money to make mine look like that, college is gay!

dabsy
25-04-07, 11:21 PM
Cheers DAR you are the man, awaiting pics.... best place for value rose joints?

Looks like a shopping trip to the scrappy is on this weekend then!

Cheers, Dave.

Dar
27-04-07, 11:35 AM
Rose jointed linkage
The linkage in these piccys was my test linkage. The proper one thats on the car uses larger rose joints. i.e. M8 instead of M6 and M10 instead of M8.

Chop off this joint. Then drill a M10 hold down the rod and tap it. The rose joint fits in to place as in the picture. Please note that the nut at the bottom of the rose joint sits very close to the gearbox and you may need to grind a few mm off for it to not foul.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06660_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06661_640x480.jpg
Do the same with the other end.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06662_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06663_640x480.jpg
Grind off this ball and you will uncover this M8 sized hole.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06656_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06657_640x480.jpg
Do the same on the other side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06658_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06659_640x480.jpg
This piccy shows the bar with the rose joints at each and in comparison to the standard one. These are M6 rose joints but you are better off with M8's here because the bolts fit the holes you uncover much better. Just bolt this where the old bar used to go and its done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06655_640x480.jpg
Standard vs modifyed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06654_640x480.jpg
A little video showing what the gear change is like. Lots of people ask how the internal cav shifter is compared to the standard Nova one. So couple the cav shifter with the rose jointed linkage and this is what its like.
Gear linakge test (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/?action=view&current=gearlinkagetest.flv)
Then fit it on to the car and adjust it so that it all works and you can get every gear.

SRlew
27-04-07, 12:16 PM
that looks well good! where yo buy all your parts for it from?

dhdev (Oli)
27-04-07, 12:25 PM
Excellent little write-up Dar, think I'll be copying that :thumb:

Dar
27-04-07, 12:27 PM
I got them from a place near me. About ?10 a joint. I find that if you ever need stuff that seems too expensive from places like Demon Tweeks, just ask around. You end up going to a few places in industrial estates(These guys know each other well and can point you in the right direction) but you usually find a place that can supply you with the same bits at a fraction of the cost.

SRlew
27-04-07, 12:29 PM
ah right nice one, will defo be doing that when i get a job lol you'll no doubt see a thread by me needing help lol

good work mate!

Adam
27-04-07, 12:31 PM
Top stuff on that linkage there.
Very nice.

nova ian
27-04-07, 01:04 PM
Nice guide that, can you use the cav linkage from any cav? as in does it matter if its off an 8v or does it need to be a 16v if your using the linkage for an xe??

Also I assume that if you are using the cav linkage for an xe will reverse be the same as in the cav, as in lift the collar and towrds you and back (as in where 6th would be)

and one last q, Will I have an F20 box on the xe, its from a mk2 astra gte.

Cheers

Ian

Adam
27-04-07, 01:10 PM
Any cav.
Think mk3 astras and corsa's have the same internal linkage too.

kevster
27-04-07, 01:11 PM
that is sweet !!!! if you fancy makeing me one let me know !! dar keep up the good work

Dar
27-04-07, 01:16 PM
Yeah any Cav will do.
Reverse is in the same place as a Nova and also the Cav which I always thought was lift the collar, to the left and forward.
To check what box it is look at the casing by the gear selector on the box, its stamped there in big letters.

nova ian
27-04-07, 01:45 PM
Yeah any Cav will do.
Reverse is in the same place as a Nova and also the Cav which I always thought was lift the collar, to the left and forward.
To check what box it is look at the casing by the gear selector on the box, its stamped there in big letters.

You are probably right about reverse posisition actually, Just I went in my mates cav last night and noticed his reverse was where I said, but its a v6 so probably has a different box to all the other variants of cavs.

Cheers for the info though mate:thumb:

Top man.

Ian

kevster
27-04-07, 02:03 PM
that is sweet !!!! if you fancy makeing me one let me know !! dar keep up the good work take that as a no lol lol lol lol lol

Dar
27-04-07, 02:36 PM
take that as a no lol lol lol lol lol

Yup you guessed it, im not really wanting to start making the rose jointed gear linakges for people for a few reasons really. The first of which is although mine works like a charm the car is used for 15mins max at any one time. One of the nuts worked lose in my first run so it needed to be tightened up. If I charge someone for making one up and it keeps undoing itself then all im going to get is problems. Not only this but they don't fit straight on first go(well my first one didn't) so you may need to play with them to get it to work 100% perfectly.

I can get all the bits you need to do the job for ?50. If your handy with a grinder and can tap holes they are easy to build.

kevster
27-04-07, 02:40 PM
i think i will leave it lol just in case lol lol :thumb:

Geth
27-04-07, 03:21 PM
Hmmm... Clunky! :D

Nice one Dar, definately on my list of things to do.

ashtal
27-04-07, 05:00 PM
Confused !!! Your car is using a cav gear stick and the shortened (3 inch) cav rod. Is the actual linkage nova or cav tho !?! It sounds like its a cav linkage, which has got me worried cause i only got a nova one for my car !!!

Dar
27-04-07, 05:32 PM
Don't worry it is the Nova linkage.

ashtal
27-04-07, 05:42 PM
Good good ;)

dabsy
28-04-07, 10:03 AM
Superb guide, so much easier with a few pics, cheers DAR.

I found a clash between the gearbox mount spacer bracket and the box section part of the linkage when I fitted mine, I'll definately be doing that mod.

Dave.

Dar
14-06-07, 04:17 PM
dabsy - There is a clash with the linkage and the gearbox casing, but its only by a few mm and you can grind off the extra few mm from the nut on the linkage.

Teeny weeny update. I've been struggling with trying to put wheels on the car for years. In a nutshell, because I run spacers the wheel will not stay on the car if you place it on. So to get each wheel on you either have to use both hands and one foot or lower the car so that the wheel sits on the ground and lines up with the bolt holes. Then nova---chris mentioned about a stud conversion. My ears instantly perked up and the said conversion was purchased about 30mins later.

Just finished my spanner check of the car from its last track day and so I have put the stud conversion on. Ahhh its bliss being able to put the wheels on in a normal fashion again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06911_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06909_800x600.jpg

chris gsi
14-06-07, 04:27 PM
thats better mate looks good

barnyvaux
14-06-07, 06:01 PM
mate wot a build, top car, me n a friend are thinking of building a track car (nova 16v)it just looks so much fun, watchin your vids have made up my mind...
now to sell the M3 as i dont wanna use the nova ive just built..

kevster
14-06-07, 06:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06911_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06909_800x600.jpg
spot on think i will have to do the same :thumb:
why did i never think about that :wtf:

Dar
14-06-07, 06:49 PM
Nice, selling an M3 for a Nova:D

why did i never think about that :wtf:
Tell me about it, i've been struggling for ages and still would be now if it wasn't for Chris.

stuartp
14-06-07, 06:54 PM
are they listed on the web site rough price dar??

coochiSR
14-06-07, 06:55 PM
Cooooolio's! Great job Mr. Dar! Keep it up!

kevster
14-06-07, 07:08 PM
if poss dar could you pm me the details so i can get it sorted :)
im such nobhead lol

Dar
14-06-07, 07:39 PM
I got them from eBay (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/fireturk65-wheel-nuts-studs-bolts) for ?30
There are two types. Ones where the nuts are open (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nova-Corsa-Astra-Rally-WHEEL-STUD-CONVERSION-NUTS_W0QQitemZ290124276674QQihZ019QQcategoryZ72257 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) at the ends or closed (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stud-conversion-kit-for-Vauxhall-hubs-alloy-wheels_W0QQitemZ4642296295QQihZ002QQcategoryZ10404 QQcmdZViewItem). The ones I got have open ends and nova---chris got the closed ended ones since his will be spending more time out in the elements.

Ernie
15-06-07, 10:27 AM
top job bud. Iwondered why you were being quiet yesterday.

Dar
31-07-07, 07:50 PM
A teeny weeny update. I decided to check my throttle bodies again. The last time I set them up I was really just guessing. However after going to a few rolling road sessions and watching the guys setup a mates XE powered single seater I gained some nice pointers:thumb:

Anyone who has heard my car idle will probably know that its a bit oddlol I've buzzed the thing a few times and the last time I did it no four cylinder sounded odd:eek: I thought bugger I've broken something there, but heyho it still works (Best leave it alone).

So today I check all the TB's and match them up. No four was wayyyyyy out only pulling in 3/5 of the air that the others were. A little tweek and hey presto cured. So i've been running a fair while with the car quite a way out of tune on No:4:roll: anyway setup the rest of it and its sooo much better now. So im hoping it will go even better at the next meet.

I do love using the laptop to setup the car:cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/DSC07068.jpg

Ernie
31-07-07, 07:52 PM
sweet faster yay bring on llandow.

Lee
31-07-07, 07:54 PM
Your such a tart!

shy witness
31-07-07, 07:56 PM
off topic question????

but what colour is that car???

gazz
31-07-07, 07:59 PM
sweet...
its amazing what that little bit of difference in tunning makes..:thumb:

good luck on next track day fella.

hopefully i'll be out with you guys soon.:thumb:

Dar
31-07-07, 08:09 PM
Its Rover - Nightfire Red.
Can't wait for Llandow, I may also have some other extras by then as well:thumb:

Ernie
31-07-07, 08:11 PM
tell us more then

Adam
31-07-07, 08:12 PM
Good to hear the bodies are now sucking the same,Lol.

Dar
31-07-07, 08:18 PM
Good to hear the bodies are now sucking the same,Lol.
Used my special toollol
Ernie........NO!:D

Ernie
01-08-07, 12:05 PM
That sucks lol

Dar
01-08-07, 12:08 PM
That sucks lol
No, the TB's do the sucking the tool gets sucked:wisewood:

Ernie
01-08-07, 12:11 PM
dont tell me you used that peice of kit to see how much they sucked !!!!
you must of had to have a 10 min break between testing each 1 lol.

Dar
01-08-07, 12:18 PM
dont tell me you used that peice of kit to see how much they sucked !!!!
you must of had to have a 10 min break between testing each 1 lol.
Best tuning session EVAR!!;)

But this now sounds rude. So this is the special tool:thumb:
http://www.classicdatsun.com/new/synchrometer.jpg
I was borrowing one but im going to buy my own now.

Ernie
01-08-07, 12:19 PM
so that can tell what is sucking really well and what aint. Of topic could i test it on Carla lol.

Dar
01-08-07, 12:31 PM
I reckon she would break it. I have another tool to use for that;)

tom_beverley
01-08-07, 03:33 PM
lol lol lol How rude!

Good job on the bodies, and the laptop mapping is cool.

Lee
01-08-07, 07:08 PM
oo, can i play with your blowjob tool when you get it? :)

Ernie
01-08-07, 07:11 PM
1 team 1 goal i say lol

Dar
01-08-07, 07:31 PM
oo, can i play with your blowjob tool when you get it? :)
Yarp, I was planning on bring it up to you to check your TB's are balanced:thumb:

Lee
01-08-07, 07:52 PM
ooooooo, lovely :)

Ernie
01-08-07, 08:08 PM
Lee suck's lol

kevster
02-08-07, 12:01 PM
this nova is so nice !!!!! nice work dar

blue_peg_16v
02-08-07, 01:15 PM
very nice dar just gets better each year

gammienov16v
12-08-07, 06:59 PM
faster and faster its the way forward. good work wth the swirl pot i had the same truble with mine, diein out of corners its annoyin:mad: losein the split seconds, because of feul starvation. 1 second is a lot in a race or half a second. good look in the futcher dar :thumb:

Dar
15-08-07, 03:39 PM
Yeah it was so annoying!:mad:
Many a time I have caught a slower car and had them pull away out of a bend because of it and once it starts happening it will keep happening, totally ruins the run. Thankfully its now a thing of the past.


good look in the futcher dar :thumb:
Thanks mate :thumb:

gammienov16v
15-08-07, 03:55 PM
one question for you dar, wen you cut the inner skin out of your doors did you do the boot lid to. because its all extra weight loss;)

Ernie
15-08-07, 04:08 PM
Dar has a fibre glass boot so no need.

gammienov16v
15-08-07, 04:15 PM
even better:thumb: you can get the fiberglass doors to i think.

causerino
15-08-07, 04:18 PM
What you got planned for this winter then Dar? Any major plans to have done for next years April Action day?

I am aiming to have mine sorted for that as the first track session in it!

Dar
15-08-07, 05:09 PM
The plan is more power for next year. But only if I have the money for it.

doug_sri
02-09-07, 11:29 AM
can you confirm its 2x m8 females and 2x m10 males i will need, emailed a company with the link and they said it was all males i needed. Also i read somewhere it doesnt work to well with the quickshift linkage, is this true as i have a spare standard nova linkage which i could use although would need to modify it again for the 6spd box

craig green
10-09-07, 12:32 PM
Dar once again, Hats off for creating such a weapon.

This thing is an animal on track at Castle Combe. Really does Nova's proud.

Dar
10-09-07, 04:01 PM
Thanks CG, really apprciate the post:thumb:

craig green
10-09-07, 04:03 PM
Still havent had a chance to say hello yet Dar!

Dar
10-09-07, 05:54 PM
I know! Maybe at the next meet:thumb:

Dar
04-10-07, 04:35 PM
After my excitement at Llandow I decided that :-

1) The altenator tensioner was rubbish with the rubber in it.
2) I needed some more manly hubs.
3) My fuel pressure regulator needed to be moved to the other side of the fuel rail. This would make the fuel lines appear more messy but it needs to be done. There just isn't enough room for it where it is.

Now I've been thinking about the altenator tensioner ever since I seen that SBD had a fancy one. Anyway I got my thinking cap on and came up with this. Easy to do and works like a charm. No more trying to keep the tension on with one hand and doing up the nut with the other for me:D

The bits (All M8)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Altenator%20Tensioner/DSC07388_800x600.jpg
I did change the bits list everso slightly after this picture. I got rid of the stud and used a small piece of threaded bar instead so that the bottom of the rosejoint sat on the flat surface of the manifold.
The whole thing looks like this once assembled.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Altenator%20Tensioner/DSC07389_800x600.jpg
On the car. As you can see I can wind on the tension by turning the head of the bolt:thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Altenator%20Tensioner/DSC07391_800x600.jpg
Its nice and solid and looks like it will do the job nicley.

I have also moved the fuel pressure regulator to the other side of the fuel rail and managed to reuse/cut and fit the fuel lines. I just need to get two new ones made up.

I have also decided what I am going to do with the hubs. I have already got two new 2l hubs and I have sourced a bearing that has the right dimensions apart from its 4mm bigger (OD) than the origonal Nova one. I am basically going to do this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Products-NovaHubconversion-knucklem.jpg
If anyone has any information on where I can get the nice billet ally bit then the info would be appreciated. I could recreate it, or something that would do the same job but I would rather buy some rather than getting them made up.

Adam
04-10-07, 04:42 PM
Im liking the alternator tensioner, how much were the bits?

Dar
04-10-07, 05:00 PM
The two rose joints cost me ?11 delivered from McGill Motorsports on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M8-Female-Right-HandThread-with-BRONZE-INSERT_W0QQitemZ190159212666QQihZ009QQcategoryZ431 20QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

Adam
04-10-07, 05:03 PM
Cool.
Might order a couple.
Much easier solution than using a crow bar to set the tension lol

craig green
04-10-07, 05:27 PM
Similar to the alt tensioner I'm making. Like it.

I recognise those knuckles too btw. :thumb:

Dar
04-10-07, 05:54 PM
Similar to the alt tensioner I'm making. Like it.

I recognise those knuckles too btw. :thumb:
Ahh it was you! I was trying to think who else was making one on here. A worth while exercise:thumb:

Prey
05-10-07, 11:26 AM
God damn brilliant nova!

Dar
25-11-07, 08:59 PM
Only a small update but heyho it's an update.

OK, the problem is detailed in my last update i.e. no room for my cool little FPR so it needed to be moved. I also built the little rose-jointed altenator tensioner. Anyway I now have it all back together and working again. I have still not done the hubs, but I have little access to my garage at the mo.

This is how the fuel system was routed before.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC06908_800x600.jpg
and this is how its routed now. Not as neat is it :( But the FPR is on the other side of the fuel rail and there are no tight squeezes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC07725_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC07726_800x600.jpg
See, loads of room :thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2007%20Mods/DSC07727_800x600.jpg

That's it. Hopefully the next time I update this thread there will be some nice new hubs with nice big bearings pictured:thumb:

trackdaynova
25-11-07, 09:07 PM
Hurrrrrar!!! Update-tastic

About time you did some work on your own car lol :)

Looking good mate, I think it looks just as neat as it used to

R1CH
25-11-07, 10:17 PM
I have also decided what I am going to do with the hubs. I have already got two new 2l hubs and I have sourced a bearing that has the right dimensions apart from its 4mm bigger (OD) than the origonal Nova one. I am basically going to do this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Products-NovaHubconversion-knucklem.jpg
If anyone has any information on where I can get the nice billet ally bit then the info would be appreciated. I could recreate it, or something that would do the same job but I would rather buy some rather than getting them made up.

Whats the deal with the ally bit ??
:confused:

Lee
25-11-07, 10:25 PM
That's it. Hopefully the next time I update this thread there will be some nice new hubs with nice big bearings pictured:thumb:

Me too cos then I can get some copies lol

Dar
25-11-07, 11:43 PM
R1ch - When you machine it out you lose the retaining groove for the cir-clip. So thats put in place to retain the bearing. Well that's what I guessed it to be anyway.

R1CH
26-11-07, 12:15 AM
I had mine machined out to fit the Grp A bearings, didn't have it machined all the way thru tho as there wasn't gonna be much material left on the outside edge of the knuckle, there isn't a groove for the outside circlip, the circlip pretty much just sits there as a spacer between the bearing and knuckle, i had a new groove machined for the backside one tho.
Done about 7k miles with it like this with no probs.

Rich

Dar
26-11-07, 12:34 AM
Not a bad idea.

db_1.2
27-11-07, 07:07 PM
Where do you get your braided hose from mate? Love some for my nova

krobinson
27-11-07, 07:31 PM
I have also decided what I am going to do with the hubs. I have already got two new 2l hubs and I have sourced a bearing that has the right dimensions apart from its 4mm bigger (OD) than the origonal Nova one. I am basically going to do this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Products-NovaHubconversion-knucklem.jpg
If anyone has any information on where I can get the nice billet ally bit then the info would be appreciated. I could recreate it, or something that would do the same job but I would rather buy some rather than getting them made up.

Hey Dar,

I'm using the same Bearings. My hubs are at the machine shop now, and have been bored out 4mm with an interfearance fit to press the bearing in. The circlips remain the same, and you have to machine the back of the driving flange so it sits flush with the bearing.

There's no need to go to the extreams of the alloy bit. I know of two people who have simaliar ones made, but the company wont do them again.

I know a few nova's running 250-300bhp with hard useage on the large bearings and they give no trouble.

Keith

krobinson
27-11-07, 07:34 PM
I had mine machined out to fit the Grp A bearings, didn't have it machined all the way thru tho as there wasn't gonna be much material left on the outside edge of the knuckle, there isn't a groove for the outside circlip, the circlip pretty much just sits there as a spacer between the bearing and knuckle, i had a new groove machined for the backside one tho.
Done about 7k miles with it like this with no probs.

Rich

I had both grooves machined back in for the two circlips, but yours sounds a good option too!!

Keith

Dar
27-11-07, 11:05 PM
Thanks for the info Keith:thumb:

db 1.2 - I get the fuel lines made up by a company near me and the brake lines come from Rally Design.

krobinson
29-11-07, 11:56 AM
Hey Dar,

Got my hubs back today with the larger bearings all pressed in -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/keithrobinson/Nova%20Rebuild%202006-2007/a4eda072.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/keithrobinson/Nova%20Rebuild%202006-2007/dc6176e9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/keithrobinson/Nova%20Rebuild%202006-2007/965112c8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/keithrobinson/Nova%20Rebuild%202006-2007/d411370e.jpg

Keith

Dar
02-01-08, 10:13 PM
I thought that I would let you lot in on what i'm currently up to on the Nova.

Since I haven't got much money to spend at the moment and the bearings I want for the hubs are out of stock with my local motorfactors I decided to go back to my front splitter idea.

I first decided that a front splitter would be a good idea in 2006. I made a mockup out of wood and figured out a way to bolt it to the car etc. However I didn't like how it turned out. Something wasn't right:wtf: So I put the splitter up out the way for another day.

One of the things I didn't like was how it looked. I don't mind the car looking odd in places but if it looks awful then I just can't bring myself to try it out. However the other day I got hold of a Laguna splitter(I think) and decided to see how it would look with the old mockup front splitter that I had made. Not only that but I have come up with a much better design for it. So I went to have a chat with a friend of mine who is a god when it come to car setup/design and asked him what he thought of the idea. Sometimes he just laughs at me and explains why its a stupid idea, but this time he thought it was worth a try.

So just for giggles here is the mock up, it's by no means a finished design and just a work in progress. If at the end of this it doesn't work then I will take it back off of the car, but you just don't know if it will work until you try it. If it all goes well I should have a much better handling car, I will have to up the spring rates again though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07883_640x480.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07882_360x480.jpg
So my car will look even more chavy:D

trackdaynova
02-01-08, 10:18 PM
looking good chap, much better seeing it in black, rather than plywood colour lol

well seeing as the rear diffuser/ splitter works so well, good on you for adding a front one!

Adam Moran
02-01-08, 10:59 PM
Hey Darren, good to see your still on the move with the car!

Altho... the way you have your fueling in your bay scares me!!

In the pic i can see you can pressure cliped you braided fuel hose to your swirl pot. Now IF that came off for what ever reason surley that would end in disaster!?!?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/novaaj/dar.jpg

Adam
02-01-08, 11:48 PM
It would indeed end in disaster as fuel pisses out of the hose at about 5-10bar unregulated pressure.

Tho its a big IF


I assume braided hose isn't meant for clamping with jubilee type clips..

Dar
03-01-08, 10:02 AM
Yeah its a regular time bomb!
Accept there is no point into or out of the swirl pot that has any real fuel pressure. You will however notice that where there 'is' high pressure its all JIC-6.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that its rubber hose with an overbraid, so it's clampable. Its not smoothbore pipe. However inside the car it's JIC-6 and in smoothbore.

Ernie
03-01-08, 11:18 AM
you found a use for the splitter then you boy racer lol.

Martin
03-01-08, 11:52 AM
Chav lol


nah funk it if it works who cares wat it looks like..

Lee
03-01-08, 04:52 PM
lmao @ dangerous fuel pipes! That setup is a damn site better than standard, so why people still say its a death trap is beyond me lol

As for the splitter, im dubious, but from opinions of people who have tried it, nothing but good results have been reported. So if it works, expect a similar setup on a certain miami blue nova as well lol

craig green
03-01-08, 06:05 PM
lmao @ dangerous fuel pipes! That setup is a damn site better than standard, so why people still say its a death trap is beyond me lol



Failing to understand the workings of a low pressure lift pump or the fact Dar has put tarty overbraid on rubber pipes.

Adam
03-01-08, 06:14 PM
Failing to understand the workings of a low pressure lift pump or the fact Dar has put tarty overbraid on rubber pipes. Afaik Dar is using a Mpi pump INTO the swirl pot!
Sure i read that somewhere anyway.
Care to clear that up Dar?

Fair do's if its a facet, with about 3psi.

Lee
03-01-08, 06:21 PM
Afaik Dar is using a Mpi pump INTO the swirl pot!
Sure i read that somewhere anyway.
Care to clear that up Dar?

Fair do's if its a facet, with about 3psi.

It doesnt matter what pump you use to supply the swirl pot, it's still not under pressure. The fuel system only pressurises once it encounters the fuel pressure reg after the main pump. Feeding the swirl pot, it just recirculates once its full back to the tank under no pressure :thumb:

Adam
03-01-08, 06:35 PM
Aye i see your point about there being no "restriction" (regulator) to cause pressure.
Tho there has to be a reason why most places/people use a low pressure pump to feed the swirl pot.

Lee
03-01-08, 06:39 PM
Aye i see your point about there being no "restriction" (regulator) to cause pressure.
Tho there has to be a reason why most places/people use a low pressure pump to feed the swirl pot.

No reason other than you dont need a high pressure one imho. They both pump at about the same rate anyway, the only difference is the amount of pressure they can pump against. Myself and Dar just had the standard inj pump in the back anyway, just didnt make sense swapping them for low pressure variants when the inj pump would do the job just as well.

trackdaynova
03-01-08, 08:28 PM
injection pumps are certainly alot quieter! lol however I do run a Facet Low Pressure pre-pump and they're noisey buggers lol

Dar
12-01-08, 12:42 AM
Had to put my car back together since I have got some work to do. So I thought I would show you how far I have got.

Also picked up my new front bearings today so now I can get the hubs machined and fix the car ready for testing this front splitter idea.

Some piccys

The basic shape and concept. I wanted to cover the whole engine up, plus it made it much more solid.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07909_800x600.jpg
Enough of a gap at the rear to let the hot engine air out. Infact it will be lower pressure under the car so the air should be sucked out of the engine bay. This was before I cut the slot out for the silencer.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07910_800x600.jpg
I ran out of black :( Shows the shape up to now
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07926_800x600.jpg
It looks tight to the wheels but there is plenty of room all the way from lock to lock. Although I may chop off another inch.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07930_450x600.jpg
These are the only front mounts I have on at the mo. I will be putting on two more beefier ones on as well as a few tethers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07927_800x600.jpg
This is how high it sits at the mo. It has to come down a few more mm but any lower and I won't be able to drive it in and out of the garage.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07932_800x600.jpg
and how its currently sitting
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Front%20Splitter/DSC07929_800x600.jpg

Things to do
1) Finish the shaping of it, including making a decision on what to do where the exhaust manifold gets close.
2) Painting.
3) Mounts.
4) Tethers.
5) Test.

Also the only part that actually gives me the downforce is the 3" lip at the front, the rest of it is for a clean air flow and mounting points. It currently weighs in at 5.6kg

If it doesn't work it will come off. However if I have to take it off I will be making some kind of underside engine cover, but out of something alot lighter.

Adam Moran
12-01-08, 12:50 AM
The idea works very well, in fact had similar ideas my self

Altho i was thinking of doing the whole underside of the car

Would love it to sit really low too but keeping it level is dam hard as it upsets the balance.

Will be working on that tho ;)

Be VERY interested to see how the testing goes

Timmy
12-01-08, 01:05 AM
may be a dumb one but you you going to test it ? ham,mer around a track and see if it feels better ?

Dar
12-01-08, 01:14 AM
may be a dumb one but you you going to test it ? ham,mer around a track and see if it feels better ?
Not a dumb question at all.

In a nutshell yes, but it will be a bit more to it than that. I can measure the ammount of G I pull through the bends as well.

The idea is to first of all do a few laps and come in to make sure the thing isn't falling off or burning etc etc. Then I will pop out again and try harder. Maybe do a few full chat laps. Come in check it all over again. Get the G meter readings and the lap times.

Once I am happy I will pop out again for a full on session. Take the lap times and G meter reading. Then take it off and do the same again.

If I lap consistantly quicker with it off then it will stay off. But if I get more G through the bends and the same lap times then it will stay. I will also see if I actually like the way it handles once its on. I may hate it.

I may have to uprate the springs on the front so It may be a case of go out, find the springs are too soft. Pop to Merlin and get some new ones. Fit it all up and start again.

It will also be done on a day where there are hardly any cars on track i.e. a normal trackday not an action day.

Ash
12-01-08, 01:17 AM
Same here, me and a mate have been talking about ground effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_cars) for a while, just neither of us have got round to it yet tho. We were planning on using a polyboard plastic type thing, lighter than the wood I expect, comes in 8x4 sheets. I'll fine out the proper name if your interested, possibly for future develpments...

Only problem is exhaust heat, but easily solved.

Timmy
12-01-08, 01:21 AM
cool learn some thing new every day. need to come watch you guys track

Lee
12-01-08, 01:27 AM
Leave the chavvy splitter alone and sort the hubs out fool!

Im confiscating that ironing board otherwise lol

Stoo
12-01-08, 10:56 AM
dar, if you do consistent lap times with it on or off, but pull more g in the corners, then isnt it just gonna be more stress/wear on the tyres?

Dar
12-01-08, 11:36 AM
Not really since if i'm pulling more G then I reckon I will not be understeering as much and therefore not scrubing the tyres, understeer kills them more because they are getting dragged accross the track. When I get more power that will help with the straight line speed but will do nothing for cornering ability. So if it corners better but dosen't get a faster lap I will benift more when I get more power. I think anyway, it's all guess work until I get it on a track and see what happens.

gazz
12-01-08, 12:50 PM
what kind of camber have you got on the front mate? i too have thought about a spitter/ tray under the car but more for in the event of stoping anything coming up inside the engine bay, didn't cross my mind about making it a splitter too. what kind of adjustments will you have on it? does ithave to be slightly tilted to get the air over the top to suck it down?

Dar
12-01-08, 02:17 PM
It dosen't have to be angled down to work. I do have height adjustment on it, but thats just for fine tuning i.e. leveling it out etc.
A basic piccy of what they do
http://wiki.seloc.org/images/c/c3/Splitter.jpg

gazz
12-01-08, 09:20 PM
yeah get what you mean now, just a thought with ur front end open so much would you not benifit from either lifting the rear of the bonnet or a vent to let air going into the bonnet out? and heat keeping the enigne cooler!

Dar
03-02-08, 06:59 PM
Hubs done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/daxtek/DSC07947_800x600.jpg
This shows the size difference between the Nova bearing (in the middle) and the new bearings. Although not very well :(

Also shows the collar size difference. Again not very well.

Anyway all done. Here's some info for you. The bearings I got didn't have circlips with them so I had to buy some.

Bearings: FBK106 - Can't remember the dimensions though.
Cir-clips: INT0680 - INT DIN 472 Metric 68mm
http://www.springmasters.com/sp/images/standard-internal-circlips.gif

Circlip Dimensions
B=68 t=2.50 D=72.5 Cb=51.6 b=6.1 L=7.8 h=3.0 Fr kN=121.5

Groove Dimensions
G=71.0 W=2.65 n=4.5 Fr kN=54.5 Code No.INT0680

Key (http://www.springmasters.com/sp/circlip-table-headings.html)
The front slpitter is also on and finished :D

Also on a side note. For those of you running distributerless C20XE engines.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/daxtek/DSC07951_640x480.jpg
This is the end of the exhaust cam. The middle part is the oil feed to the now absent distributer. If its left open like shown then you will not be running max oil pressure to the cam bearings since the oil will flow out of the end of the cam easier than it will through the small holes. If the cam is in the car you can plug the hole up by cutting a 10mm piece off of a 8.5mm drillbit and gently tapping it in. Don't go too far or you will block off the nearest oil way.

Having said that I have been running my car like this for years now and it's still going. I think the pressure is low until it fills the space behind the blanking plate. However with this mod done it will be giving the cam bearings more oil from the start.

Jordan-Nova-TD
03-02-08, 07:07 PM
Really nice work mate. top thread!

Dar
03-02-08, 07:16 PM
Thanks :)

CP
03-02-08, 08:19 PM
Good stuff.:thumb: The front splitter will work if you get it right tho as you say proving it maybe more difficult and will depend on how consistent your laptimes are and how well you adapt to the changes. I like the idea of checking the G:) .
Not sure the how you can do it but if you can tray the whole of the underside out between your rear diffuser and front splitter i think you could get a really noticeable difference. What about trying an adjustable rear wing touring car stylee cos your probably lapping at times not too far off the likes of the hatches they had a few years ago and they all use them to good effect? I know they can look gash but ..?:D

Dar
06-02-08, 01:23 AM
I hope the front splitter works CP, because I love the look of it now its all fitted :D

However my woes continue. I started to press one of the hubs in and found that the shoulder of the hub fouled the bearing carrier before the hub fitted up against the bearing. So I had to break the bearing and pull it apart again.

Then I had the hubs machined slightly to solve this problem.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/IMAGE_00112_640x480.jpg
and pressed them in. Problem solved :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07954_640x480.jpg
Tonight when I was fitting them on the car I noticed that the caliper that took the punnishment when the hub broke has a leak where the disk bit in to the alloy. Ar5e. I will have to see what I can do to fix that.

Then I also noticed that the new hub setup sits a few mm further out than the old setup. It's not much at all, but enough to make the caliper sit off center and catch the disc. Ar5e. So I now have to modify the caliper mount to bring it back.

On the up side the hubs are on and the car will drive again. So as usuall with these things, one step forward and two steps back:tard:

Lee
06-02-08, 11:52 AM
Then I also noticed that the new hub setup sits a few mm further out than the old setup. It's not much at all, but enough to make the caliper sit off center and catch the disc. Ar5e. So I now have to modify the caliper mount to bring it back.

On the up side the hubs are on and the car will drive again. So as usuall with these things, one step forward and two steps back:tard:

Very Ar5e :( Thats annoying to say the least!

chris gsi
06-02-08, 10:18 PM
looks much better and hopefully the calipper can be saved as that was a ar5e i spoke to a chap at my work about welding it and he looked at me like i was mad but i don't trust him as he clean's his coffe mug (not a normal thing in the motor trade)

Dar
13-02-08, 05:25 PM
It finally moves under it's own power again!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/smileys%20icons/banana6na9rb.gif
So I drove it out of the garage for the hell of it and took some piccys. The brakes need bleeding and the front bumper needs some fasteners put on. But it moves again. I just hope that the caliper repair works. I can't see it not working since I think it was just the rubber seal that had gone, but you can never tell.

It really needs a dust as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07974_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07973_800x600.jpg
Nice and flat underneath now. If this thing works I have someone who will be able to make me one out of fibreglass and bond in the supports so that I don't have to have the heads showing. Bust since this is just a prototype I don't care.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07972_800x600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07971_800x600.jpg

5T1G
13-02-08, 05:41 PM
I do like you car Dar, it is probably my favourite in the club (as much as i dislike 2ltrs)

I think it's becuase of the colour, mk1 front end and the rear defuser. Even though you've porobably chosen function over style it looks spot on! Imo lol

Nick
13-02-08, 05:50 PM
Looking great dar !

You should really get this up to Oulton Park this year... no doubt we'l be doing a trackday at some point !

Dar
13-02-08, 06:13 PM
I do like you car Dar, it is probably my favourite in the club (as much as i dislike 2ltrs)
I love you!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/smileys%20icons/air_kiss.gif


Nick I plan on doing some more events this year.

trackdaynova
13-02-08, 06:29 PM
looking good Dar :)

now why don't you take the plunge and book onto Rockingham Raceway, 2nd March with us ;) lol

Adam
13-02-08, 06:47 PM
Looking well.

Lee
13-02-08, 06:49 PM
Good work mate. Lets hope these hubs hold out better than the last ones did.

chris gsi
14-02-08, 12:01 AM
it moves :thumb: but it does need a good clean now and the drivers seat needs moving back so i can drive it:D

tom_beverley
14-02-08, 12:12 AM
I'll give it a dust over in return for a few passenger laps sometime ;)

Looks ace Dar, nice idea with the underside, should help a bit!

djshaggeh
14-02-08, 12:36 AM
Indeed, the only nova imo to look good with a centra exit exhaust. That diffuser is sexy too

dhdev (Oli)
06-04-08, 02:32 PM
Shows how detached from the nova scene I've become recently, I thought the splitter was a new mod :( Excellent work with the splitter though! I think it may benefit from being even larger (protuding further forward), the way you've extended it back behind the front bumper towards the tyres to form a 'tyre shelf' is good and should provide a small amount of downforce from the air thrown from the tread. As briefly mentioned in the drag factor thread, I reckon sealing off the base of the engine bay would be a good idea, to keep the pressure under the car as low as possible.
I advised a splitter for the front of the car that my mate races in the VLN at the 'ring and they noticed definate improvements, so I look forward to the results of any testing you get done!

Heres the splitter on their car, again they are gonna try increasing the size to see if there are further gains to be had.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2185/2184832126_44b2e4bf14.jpg?v=0

Dar
06-04-08, 03:10 PM
Yup, mine does cover the whole of the bottom of the engine bay
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07923_640x480.jpg

I also reckon that extending it out further could produce some more benifits. The trouble I had was finding a big enough piece of wood. I was thinking about making an extendable flap so that I could slide it out or in to increase or decrease the length of the lip.

My wooden version will be replaced with a much nicer and much lighter version if it gives me any gains what so ever. I even have a man lined up to make it for me :D

It's a bit crude at the moment but it's helped to sort out mounting brackets and sizes etc etc. So it's good enough for the time being.

trackdaynova
06-04-08, 05:56 PM
look forward to finally seeing this in the flesh in a couple of weeks mate :thumb:

Adam
06-04-08, 05:57 PM
Be cool if it works.

What did you say it was made out of again? Marine Ply? lol

Dar
06-04-08, 06:24 PM
Yup, currently Marine Ply :D
No point in spending to much ?? on a concept esp if it dosen't work.

EDIT: It's not as daft a material to use as you might think.

Adam
06-04-08, 06:38 PM
I spose if its light and strong, its perfect.

Lee
06-04-08, 06:43 PM
Ideal if it rains lol

General Lee
09-04-08, 01:35 PM
Hi,

Very nice car Dar, just wondering have you got rid of the front bumper reinforcer when you put the bonnett pins through.

Cheers

Lee
09-04-08, 02:23 PM
Yeah, thats the way to do it. Before you remove the bar though, make sure you drill the holes for the pins through the square holes in the bar, through the bumper (where rthe brackets that hold the bar to the inner wings bolt on). This will ensure when you put the pins onto these inner wing mounts (which you keep), they will come through the bumper in exactly the right spot.

General Lee
09-04-08, 03:49 PM
Nice one cheers for that, will do it on the weekend.

Dar
16-04-08, 08:19 PM
I know that this is a bit late now but I also have the sides fixed on with Dzus Fasteners. You can just see one in the piccy below

Anyhoo since the car was up in the air I thought I would take a piccy of the underside to show just how much this splitter covers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Mods/DSC07993_640x480.jpg

trackdaynova
16-04-08, 08:26 PM
look shexy Dar! really hope you see some good results on track bud

looking forward to saturday!

Dar
16-04-08, 08:28 PM
Me too, but I'm not really looking forward to sat. Well the driving the car part anyway. I just hope it all hangs together. Testing in public could be really embarrising.

However seeing everyone again will be cool and friday night will be fun :D

CP
16-04-08, 09:13 PM
Good luck with it buddy:thumb:

chris gsi
16-04-08, 11:26 PM
Me too, but I'm not really looking forward to sat. Well the driving the car part anyway. I just hope it all hangs together. Testing in public could be really embarrising.

However seeing everyone again will be cool and friday night will be fun :D

friday night will be good and the car should be ok, llandow was just to tell you to be nice to it:thumb:

BRoadGhost
17-04-08, 01:40 AM
Can't understand the people saying "yeah be good if it works"

OFC it'll work. The theory is sound and the wood is large enough to make a notable effect.

Ok so it's wood, but this in itself might be considerably more durable than a glassfibre version. The thickness required for such a large aerodynamic aid made from another material might need some consideration.

To get any idea of the force it would be under - next time you feel like doing 130, open the window and put your hand out flat horizontally; now visualise something that's 50x the overall size of that hand wanting to bend and be pulled off it's mountings.

hybridturbo
17-04-08, 12:35 PM
Look forward to seeing the results

Dar
20-04-08, 01:24 PM
So the great English weather put a dampner to testing the front splitter (although understeer was deffo not a problem!).

However it was a good shakedown for the car. The brakes finally started working properly and the repaired caliper stayed repaired.

The front splitter needs a small modification where the exhaust does actually touch it and because of the front splitter my trailer needs modifying. It's a struggle to get it on and off.

But i'm happy with the car pending anything nasty I find when it gets its post run inspection.

10:45am @ Castle Combe (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7437014813469746867&hl=en)

trackdaynova
20-04-08, 01:39 PM
Absolutely awesome video Dar :thumb: very smoooooth driving, experience of the track shines through alot!

Loved seeing my own car in the video, first time I've ever seen external footage.

Top bombing dude!

Dar
20-04-08, 01:41 PM
Thanks Olly, it's always great to see your car from the point of view of another:thumb:
It's even better in the dry, we will get some great footage throughout this year.

EDIT: In the process of rendering the muppet laps, will show you that when its done :thumb:

trackdaynova
20-04-08, 02:07 PM
OK chap - still a bit annoyed for taking off - but hey - with every session being cut short (read: under 10 mins) I wanted to make the most of it, as its not exactly local to me lol

Lee
20-04-08, 03:01 PM
woot at muppet laps. Im totally gutted mine didnt work on that session :(

Great vid from session 1 :)

Dar
14-06-08, 06:51 PM
Broke the damn thing again :( This time the clutch has gone bye bye. It was smelling a bit funning on the first session, but we thought it was the brakes. Ho hum. I will post up the footage of the first run when I have it hosted.

I have decided that my car is trying to tell me to spend some money on it 'again!' but it is a lady and therefore will keep braking until I do. So watch this space ;)

I only had one session but the front splitter did make the car feel better. It's very hard to 'really' tell but it was very grippy after only one lap and just felt much pointier. I also found that the car was (when cornering on certain corners) bouncing the inner wheels enough off of the deck to make the engine pick up slightly (You will hear it in the vid). I have had it before but not as ponounced as this. Anyhoo the front splitter is staying for now so that I can test it further.

I also bought some new front springs but didn't get chance to fit them.

It was a great day at Combe though. Nice and sunny :cool:

Adam
14-06-08, 07:52 PM
Standard clutch?

Time for a paddle? :cool:

I bet Pod last week didn't do the clutch much good lol

Dar
14-06-08, 07:57 PM
Standard clutch?

Time for a paddle? :cool:

I bet Pod last week didn't do the clutch much good lol

Oh yes:thumb: One of those little ones if I can. Might as well get a new flywheel for it as well :D

Also forgot to mention, those pod runs losened the bolts on one of the bottom balljoints. So had to do that up for the second run. I didn't take the car off of the trailer from pod to combe, so the usuall spanner check didn't happen.:tard:

Adam
14-06-08, 08:17 PM
Nice.

Lucky you spotted the loose bolt,Lol.


Were all the Understeer crew at Combe today? good day?

CP
14-06-08, 08:43 PM
I only had one session but the front splitter did make the car feel better. It's very hard to 'really' tell but it was very grippy after only one lap and just felt much pointier. I also found that the car was (when cornering on certain corners) bouncing the inner wheels enough off of the deck to make the engine pick up slightly (You will hear it in the vid). I have had it before but not as ponounced as this. Anyhoo the front splitter is staying for now so that I can test it further.

:cool:

Hmm interesting -good work

Dar
14-06-08, 08:48 PM
Adam, no Lee and Ernie were not there but Chris's car was flying! I was impressed.
Thanks CP, the test's will continue once the car is a bit stronger.

Ash
14-06-08, 09:32 PM
Chris really was flying, passed most things on the track from what I saw. 'Shame' about that Z4 tho in the same session.

Wish I got there earlier to see your session Dar, maybe one day, when I'm older lol

Dar
14-06-08, 09:40 PM
lolIt was nice to see you there Ash. Next time get up earlier!

chris gsi
14-06-08, 09:46 PM
can't belive you killed it again dar:cry:
give me a shout when you get the new clutch and i will give you a hand.

(thanks for the coments about my car she was on form today)

Dar
14-06-08, 09:51 PM
Don't worry Chris your already in the work force for taking the engine outlol
It's then going to my brothers for some choppage and weldage ;)

Dar
15-06-08, 10:42 AM
My castle combe vid in here as well :D
Castle Combe Retro & Sportscar Action Day 11:45 Session (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=__f66dXdQKo)

JJL
15-06-08, 12:44 PM
Awsome vid :thumb:

Martin
15-06-08, 01:27 PM
it ****in flys dar.. i cant wait to get to a trackday and she u lot in action

Dar
15-06-08, 03:10 PM
I hope to get it ready for septembers action day. You should come down, we will all be there. Combe is a really nice place.

Martin
15-06-08, 04:23 PM
miles n miles away from me but i'l do my best..

Lee
15-06-08, 05:36 PM
While the engines out, get a quick rack in there Dar. After fitting mine its odd seeing how much lock you have to apply :)

Expert piloting as always ;)

Dar
15-06-08, 05:42 PM
Lee - It's on the list already.

twistysnovagte
15-06-08, 06:07 PM
mate im hooked watching them vid the second vid actauly goes off halfway through for a matter of seconds,i was that into it i went awwwwwww.but awsome track action love to have the time etc to that.just wicked seeing your car in action as allways.:) :thumb:

Dar
15-06-08, 07:06 PM
Thanks, yeah the vid does got off but only for about 10 seconds and then its back on again :D

djshaggeh
15-06-08, 09:56 PM
Slow down man or you'll go back in time!

Awesome video!

Dar
22-06-08, 03:28 PM
Video from the Pulsar. Clicky for pulsar footage (http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff174/keensie/?action=view&current=Produce_8.flv)

NovaLad
22-06-08, 03:33 PM
/\ Needs lessons on where to mount a cam in a track car.

Looks like you don't half get some speed.

After ever bend you kept leaving him more and more.

Adam
22-06-08, 04:54 PM
I bet that Pulsar was running a fair wack of power too.
Shows how you dont need a massive amount of power to be quick around a track

Lee
22-06-08, 05:51 PM
I bet that Pulsar was running a fair wack of power too.
Shows how you dont need a massive amount of power to be quick around a track

Just backs up my arguement that big power turbos just dont cut it on a track :)

NL is right, if you cant move your mirror out of the way, dont bother taking in car footage :wtf: