*INFO* Stitch weld,chassis leg mod & plate kit positions *WITH PICS*

[Pistol Pete]

Seems to get asked a fair bit, so here are some pics for pointers for the positions of the welds needed and where the plates go. Hope it is of some use to people!

P.S. i think alot of these pics i copy and pasted when Dave/Bert did his, so hope he doesnt mind me using them! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007571.jpg~original

Alternator mod in chassis leg. Doesnt need to be this much, but can help if work is needed, or engine moves to much!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/weld41.jpg~original

Bulkhead welds. Be an idea to remove carpets and have someone with a wet cloth sponge on the inside. I did, just as a precaution.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/weld11.jpg~original

Turret and inner wing welds *note, no strut tops present. I you are putting these on, you can weld these aswell*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007551.jpg~original

N/S HH plate position.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007561.jpg~original

O/S HH plate position

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007581.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007661.jpg~original

With the HH plates it is also recomended to weld the holes aswell. You may also find you have two plates left over with nuts welded on: these are for if you are using a sump guard IIRC.

I have closed this thread, but if i have made any errors (more than likely, lol) PM me and i will edit accordingly. Thanks.

[The Simps]

Here's some more pics to add. I put in an additional cut out for the bottom pulley too. Makes working on it that much easier. The holes on the plates sheld really be welded too.

Oh, ignore my tie bar plates - they're on upside down! lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-081.jpg~original
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-084.jpg~original
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-088.jpg~original

[Pistol Pete]

Good addition! lol i nearly did the same thing with the plates!

[Lee-1984]

them welds are they mig'd or tig'd?

[The Simps]

mine are MIG'd on a proper commercial jobby.

[loggyboy]

Slight alternative for the Chassis Leg mod requiring less cuts, less welding and less additional material.

http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Welding/ChassisLegCuts.jpg

http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Welding/ChassisLegFinal2.jpg

[The Simps]

From my experience loggyboy that often isn't enough!

[loggyboy]

I guess every car is different, but on the three ive done theres been no issues, as due to the angle of the chassis leg (when viewed from above it comes moves away form the engine as it comes forwards) so making it that deep at the forward edge is pointless. The only time it would need to be that deep is if you retain the multi rib pulley which is a fair bit deeper than the V pulley ones.

Yellow line = my choice of mod
Blue line = typical 'deep cut' mod.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/loggyboy/XEAlternator.jpg~original

[Adam]

Ive edited the thread title Pete_58, to include the alt chassis mod etc :)

[ben lee]

is it poss to have clearence to run the multi v pully belt setup?

[Pistol Pete]

My apologies guys. I assumed all info needed was in here. Obvioulsy not lol! Thanks for the edit Adam. Post away guys!

[The Simps]

Loggyboy, completely see what you're saying. If it works then it works :thumb: Some people are more than happy using a big hammer :roll: which seems a bit pikey to me.

[Adam]

A hammered in chassis leg actually looks neater than cut/boxed imo, as it blends in better if you get me

[Pistol Pete]

I attacked mine with a hammer. After reading through this, i'm debating weather to cut and weld??!!

[The Simps]

A hammered in chassis leg actually looks neater than cut/boxed imo, as it blends in better if you get me

each to their own opinion mate, thats what a forum is all about :thumb:

[The Simps]

Hammer does the job. Anything that makes it clear does the job. Just different ideas on whats tidy I suppose :confused:

[trackdaynova]

Adam - you pikey, there is no way I'm letting you bash your inner wing with a lump hammer! do it properly! don't be a bodger!

Anyway, my addition of pictures that I did when I did a deal with Simon from www.conversionmounts.co.uk (http://www.conversionmounts.co.uk)

Plating kit:
http://www.conversionmounts.co.uk/page15.html

Rear gearbox mount:
http://www.conversionmounts.co.uk/page16.html

[The Simps]

Did you ever box your rear mount Oli?

[loggyboy]

The best and most factory way ive seen it done is to heat the panel up (alot) and gently bend the panel in. Il see if I can get some pics of mates minter LET whose is bent like that.

[Nova Baz]

What do you do about the two long bolts that go thuoght the tie rod mount after you have welded the plate on?

[brainsnova]

What do you do about the two long bolts that go thuoght the tie rod mount after you have welded the plate on?

refit fit them in the same way.

[The Simps]

What do you do about the two long bolts that go thuoght the tie rod mount after you have welded the plate on?

You may have to drill down the hole and through the plate you've welded on. Remember to ignore my pic on the 1st page as I put mine on upside down! :roll: There meant to g underneath the crossmember not on top.

[Pistol Pete]

A hammered in chassis leg actually looks neater than cut/boxed imo, as it blends in better if you get me

+1.

[JohnoGTE]

welding ym engine bay this weekend and putting in my plating kit, how far should i beat it in or cut it so ihave clearance for a redtop 16v?

[napalm_27]

a good few cm's

[JohnoGTE]

wont this failan mot is they spot a huge crease in the panel next to the engine?

[napalm_27]

not if you do a neat job

[Benn]

No, creases in the chassis dont come in to an mot.(no matter how untidy it is) And with the engine in place you wont see it.

[John]

Would it be better to seam weld around the plates? or just stitch them in?

[The Simps]

seam will be fine. you want to add strength but not make the shell too rigid. its designed too have some flex.

[burgo]

i seemed around all the plates and around the turrets but stiched along the length of the chassis leg

[John]

Thanks guys. I'm in the process of adding a chassis plating kit to a friends car, there seems to be loads of plates, i haven't quite worked out where they all go yet!

[Graeme]

I've just done mine john and I'll tell you where they go if your struggling

[Pistol Pete]

Does this help...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/hhplatediag01.jpg~original

[John]

I've just done mine john and I'll tell you where they go if your struggling

Yeah thanks graeme, will do.

pete, yeah that's good, Nothing like looking at actual piccies of what people have done though.:thumb:

[Pistol Pete]

2 sec then...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007551.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007661.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007581.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/DSC007561.jpg~original

Enjoy!

[John]

Cool Thanks mate.

[The Simps]

Did you not read the whole of this thread then John? lol

[Pistol Pete]

lol pictures speak a thousand words i guess.

[John]

Did you not read the whole of this thread then John? lol


lol, clearly not!

Anyway, welded these on today, (easier to fit whilst panel was off, welding a touch rusty, haven't done any in anger for a few years Lol)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/tooleater16v/5%20door%20nova/117.jpg~original

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/tooleater16v/5%20door%20nova/118.jpg~original

So, where do these go?

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/tooleater16v/5%20door%20nova/119.jpg~original

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/tooleater16v/5%20door%20nova/120.jpg~original

[The Simps]

welding looks pretty darn snazzy to me!

Other plates...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-084.jpg~original
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-088.jpg~original

[napalm_27]

my shell has all the plates welded in but i spose a z20let would tear the shell to bits if its not seam welded aswell

[Benn]

my shell has all the plates welded in but i spose a z20let would tear the shell to bits if its not seam welded aswell

Be just the same as a c20let.. You might get away with it.. You might not.
Most people tho dont test their luck..lol

[napalm_27]

hmm its getting very tempting lol
was thinking about the 5 stud conversions from the astra aswell but wouldnt now how to go about it

[John]

welding looks pretty darn snazzy to me!

Other plates...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-084.jpg~original
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-088.jpg~original



thanks fella, they're the pics i was after! :) :thumb:

[The Simps]

was thinking about the 5 stud conversions from the astra aswell but wouldnt now how to go about it


I've 5 stud'd my nova using vectra stuff, was easy. check my thread.

[twin40s]

Do the seams inside the arches and the chassis legs/rails under the car need seam welding.

[Pistol Pete]

No, not really.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/weld41.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Pete_58/Nova/weld11.jpg~original

just these areas...

[The Simps]

Do the seams inside the arches and the chassis legs/rails under the car need seam welding.


I'd say it depends what you are building the car for. If its track prep then I would do them yes.

[Benn]

Do the seams inside the arches and the chassis legs/rails under the car need seam welding.

I did and would, even if just fitting an xe for everyday use.

[Lee_2008]

I am thinking of converting a GSI to a C20LET. I'll be buying the chassis strengthening plating kit but is it necessary to do the stitch welding?

[The Simps]

always advisable and easy to do really while the welder is already out.

[Lee_2008]

Do I do the stitch welding before I weld the plates on? Also where does the stitch welding need to be done? Has anyone got any pics of their engine bays?

[Adam]

Pics are all over this thread.....

[Slippy]

Good read thanks chaps

[mattybailey06]

hi guyss. does any1 fancy seam welding me engine bay and welding the plates it for me as a foreigner? im located in northwich cheshire. cheers guys

[Grey]

ive had a good read through this i did ask a stupid question about where the plates go :roll: never mind thanks anyway!! be good to meet up with the group sometime? im near cambridge (Bury St Edmunds). ive looked on the events and meets and will keep a eye out. many thanks!:d

[Nobby]

this is my first attempt at stitch/seam welding a nova bay, its a piece of piss to be honest bit of a kant on a mk2 nova as there is seam sealer everywhere! I also did around the engine and box mounts as im not using a weld in kit. Just start on 1 side and follow the seams! Easy peasy

pic from mine - http://i35.tinypic.com/2a76brl.jpg

[boyd_1989]

Hi, can someone help me? Info needed.... I have a c16xe in my nova its been rolling roaded at 134BHP and I'm using solid mounts.. Should I stitch weld my engine bay or will it be alright? I've never really thought about it till I just read this thread. Thanks.

[staggy_gsi]

I would say you should be ok without doing it, but if you can weld etc I would do it anyway just for the added strength and piece of mind etc

[Stuart]

Tweaked Pete and Simps''s'''sss posts to get the pics back.

[petrolhead19]

I know this is an old post but any chance of getting back the pics that aren't showing?
About to stitch weld mine so would be good to see the areas everyone else does

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[Iain]

I know this is an old post but any chance of getting back the pics that aren't showing?
About to stitch weld mine so would be good to see the areas everyone else does

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I recommend doing every seam you can get at.

[petrolhead19]

I recommend doing every seam you can get at.Yeah thats the plan would of just been nice to see pics of other peoples bays thats all mate

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[Iain]

All the pics in my wip are still active, although there's a few too many pages to look through! I'll try and grab some out ans put them here.